1 00:00:20,830 --> 00:00:05,030 hey this is Sean and this is Jay and 2 00:00:36,190 --> 00:00:24,080 we're going to talk about flying saucers 3 00:00:38,460 --> 00:00:36,200 [Music] 4 00:00:39,950 --> 00:00:38,470 flying suckers 5 00:00:50,350 --> 00:00:39,960 [Music] 6 00:00:58,069 --> 00:00:55,310 what's up hey man I was gonna wish you 7 00:00:59,990 --> 00:00:58,079 a happy New Year but do you agree with 8 00:01:04,070 --> 00:01:00,000 Larry David first off let's get this out 9 00:01:05,990 --> 00:01:04,080 of the way yes on everything yeah but 10 00:01:07,910 --> 00:01:06,000 you know Larry David he had that on Curb 11 00:01:09,410 --> 00:01:07,920 Your Enthusiasm probably elsewhere too 12 00:01:11,510 --> 00:01:09,420 because he's a pretty consistent 13 00:01:13,910 --> 00:01:11,520 individual 14 00:01:16,609 --> 00:01:13,920 pardon me he likes to he says that you 15 00:01:19,010 --> 00:01:16,619 know Happy New Year has an expiration 16 00:01:21,410 --> 00:01:19,020 date and it's about three days in and 17 00:01:24,170 --> 00:01:21,420 considering today is the 4th of January 18 00:01:26,149 --> 00:01:24,180 that kind of puts us at the cusp of 19 00:01:27,950 --> 00:01:26,159 according to Larry David whether we can 20 00:01:29,390 --> 00:01:27,960 wish each other happy happy New Year or 21 00:01:31,609 --> 00:01:29,400 not wow what's your take on that 22 00:01:33,170 --> 00:01:31,619 situation yeah my take is is he's 23 00:01:36,230 --> 00:01:33,180 probably around a whole lot more people 24 00:01:39,109 --> 00:01:36,240 than I am so he probably has to say it a 25 00:01:41,030 --> 00:01:39,119 lot more than I would have to so you 26 00:01:43,429 --> 00:01:41,040 know him coming up with that rule is 27 00:01:46,069 --> 00:01:43,439 probably pretty necessary where for me 28 00:01:48,830 --> 00:01:46,079 it's like if I just have to say it two 29 00:01:52,310 --> 00:01:48,840 more times what's the big deal you know 30 00:01:54,830 --> 00:01:52,320 all right well and both of those my 31 00:01:56,810 --> 00:01:54,840 happy New Year Happy New Year to you too 32 00:01:59,030 --> 00:01:56,820 and both of those happy New Years might 33 00:02:02,330 --> 00:01:59,040 be to me because I I'm relatively 34 00:02:03,950 --> 00:02:02,340 effusive in my happy birthdays and happy 35 00:02:05,630 --> 00:02:03,960 New Years and merry Christmases and all 36 00:02:08,570 --> 00:02:05,640 that kind of stuff it's good to see you 37 00:02:10,249 --> 00:02:08,580 man yeah you too you too uh and 38 00:02:12,589 --> 00:02:10,259 everybody in the chat happy New Year as 39 00:02:15,410 --> 00:02:12,599 well thanks for being here do appreciate 40 00:02:17,210 --> 00:02:15,420 it at two o'clock P.M Central Standard 41 00:02:18,050 --> 00:02:17,220 Time 42 00:02:20,270 --> 00:02:18,060 um 43 00:02:24,410 --> 00:02:20,280 yeah you know there's there's a couple 44 00:02:27,050 --> 00:02:24,420 of things that are going on in the the 45 00:02:31,190 --> 00:02:27,060 UFO realm right now 46 00:02:34,970 --> 00:02:31,200 but you know we're kind of in this uh 47 00:02:37,430 --> 00:02:34,980 kind of purgatory type situation as far 48 00:02:40,729 --> 00:02:37,440 as like recent news right so 49 00:02:42,350 --> 00:02:40,739 we're all waiting for this UAP report 50 00:02:43,910 --> 00:02:42,360 which 51 00:02:46,490 --> 00:02:43,920 um apparently that report doesn't give a 52 00:02:49,250 --> 00:02:46,500 crap about us waiting it's gonna you 53 00:02:50,089 --> 00:02:49,260 know do whatever it has to do 54 00:02:53,809 --> 00:02:50,099 um 55 00:02:59,690 --> 00:02:55,970 but also on the flip side the ndaa 56 00:03:02,390 --> 00:02:59,700 passed like 30 some pages of UAP 57 00:03:04,690 --> 00:03:02,400 um legislation which is pretty huge and 58 00:03:09,290 --> 00:03:04,700 the media is completely 59 00:03:11,330 --> 00:03:09,300 silent on it you know you have for the 60 00:03:14,170 --> 00:03:11,340 first time it as far as I know really 61 00:03:16,970 --> 00:03:14,180 you have UAP legislation passed 62 00:03:19,550 --> 00:03:16,980 bipartisan legislation nobody argued 63 00:03:23,330 --> 00:03:19,560 over it nobody fought over it in the 64 00:03:24,710 --> 00:03:23,340 news isn't saying anything all they're 65 00:03:28,550 --> 00:03:24,720 talking about is 66 00:03:30,470 --> 00:03:28,560 more partisanship more Republicans suck 67 00:03:34,130 --> 00:03:30,480 because of this Democrats suck because 68 00:03:36,949 --> 00:03:34,140 of this and that's it you know yeah and 69 00:03:39,290 --> 00:03:36,959 meanwhile like a pretty important 70 00:03:41,390 --> 00:03:39,300 serious issue is moving along in the 71 00:03:43,670 --> 00:03:41,400 government for the first time really in 72 00:03:46,670 --> 00:03:43,680 history and they're not saying a dang 73 00:03:49,910 --> 00:03:46,680 thing about it you know yeah 74 00:03:54,649 --> 00:03:49,920 absolutely I mean I I have to think that 75 00:03:56,570 --> 00:03:54,659 it is like so many aspects of UAP issues 76 00:03:59,149 --> 00:03:56,580 and you and the history of ufology in 77 00:04:02,869 --> 00:03:59,159 general and that this is purely in the 78 00:04:05,390 --> 00:04:02,879 land of this is not purely because not 79 00:04:06,770 --> 00:04:05,400 everybody is controlled by you know 80 00:04:10,429 --> 00:04:06,780 project Mockingbird or whatever 81 00:04:13,429 --> 00:04:10,439 succeeded that but there is a lot of 82 00:04:15,710 --> 00:04:13,439 information management that happens in 83 00:04:17,930 --> 00:04:15,720 our media right a ton of information 84 00:04:19,909 --> 00:04:17,940 management and you know there's this 85 00:04:21,710 --> 00:04:19,919 whole idea about like how many stories 86 00:04:23,689 --> 00:04:21,720 can the American the feeble American 87 00:04:26,510 --> 00:04:23,699 mind like keep in their head at any one 88 00:04:28,189 --> 00:04:26,520 time or something like that and you know 89 00:04:29,749 --> 00:04:28,199 what is the predominant story what's 90 00:04:32,090 --> 00:04:29,759 this like the secondary story what are 91 00:04:34,310 --> 00:04:32,100 we getting people worked up about these 92 00:04:35,990 --> 00:04:34,320 days on you know the partisan news 93 00:04:37,850 --> 00:04:36,000 channels and stuff like that and I have 94 00:04:42,830 --> 00:04:37,860 to think that a lot of this is just like 95 00:04:46,249 --> 00:04:42,840 okay you know that it's it's a leftover 96 00:04:48,110 --> 00:04:46,259 from all of those committee reports and 97 00:04:49,969 --> 00:04:48,120 all those Think Tank studies that were 98 00:04:51,710 --> 00:04:49,979 done in the 50s and 60s that were like 99 00:04:53,450 --> 00:04:51,720 oh you know they they'll barely be able 100 00:04:56,510 --> 00:04:53,460 to handle this we have to drip it out to 101 00:04:58,730 --> 00:04:56,520 them over like decades 102 00:05:00,170 --> 00:04:58,740 and um and so they passed the 103 00:05:02,090 --> 00:05:00,180 legislation but then they have to just 104 00:05:04,129 --> 00:05:02,100 kind of let it sit for a second I guess 105 00:05:07,189 --> 00:05:04,139 I don't know I think another part of it 106 00:05:09,710 --> 00:05:07,199 is is that both you know in okay 107 00:05:12,830 --> 00:05:09,720 apparently we've heard from some sources 108 00:05:17,570 --> 00:05:12,840 that apparently the confidential version 109 00:05:20,330 --> 00:05:17,580 of the of the arrow uh uip task force 110 00:05:22,969 --> 00:05:20,340 report did make it to the dusks of 111 00:05:24,950 --> 00:05:22,979 lawmakers and that we just haven't seen 112 00:05:26,689 --> 00:05:24,960 that there hasn't been a public facing 113 00:05:28,010 --> 00:05:26,699 version of it right I mean there's 114 00:05:32,450 --> 00:05:28,020 people that have leaked that information 115 00:05:36,230 --> 00:05:32,460 and then in the ndaa 116 00:05:38,990 --> 00:05:36,240 um legislation uh for this year we saw 117 00:05:41,090 --> 00:05:39,000 that you know it's some of the language 118 00:05:42,950 --> 00:05:41,100 which was very key got stripped out 119 00:05:45,290 --> 00:05:42,960 between the draft and what was passed 120 00:05:47,390 --> 00:05:45,300 and what was passed stripped out the 121 00:05:49,610 --> 00:05:47,400 part where there was accountability to 122 00:05:50,689 --> 00:05:49,620 the American public with regard to the 123 00:05:52,670 --> 00:05:50,699 swissel blower stuff so the 124 00:05:53,870 --> 00:05:52,680 whistleblowers this whistleblower 125 00:05:56,210 --> 00:05:53,880 legislation that we've been talking 126 00:05:59,210 --> 00:05:56,220 about for months now where you know 127 00:06:02,629 --> 00:05:59,220 people are looking forward to folks like 128 00:06:04,909 --> 00:06:02,639 Eric Davis for example and others going 129 00:06:07,730 --> 00:06:04,919 in and having confidential and then 130 00:06:10,390 --> 00:06:07,740 maybe even public briefings about what 131 00:06:13,249 --> 00:06:10,400 they know with regard to 132 00:06:15,529 --> 00:06:13,259 Legacy programs the possibility of 133 00:06:19,129 --> 00:06:15,539 reverse engineered technology the 134 00:06:22,309 --> 00:06:19,139 possibility of holding on to Exotic 135 00:06:24,950 --> 00:06:22,319 materials I.E recovered craft things 136 00:06:27,529 --> 00:06:24,960 along those lines even bodies you know 137 00:06:29,749 --> 00:06:27,539 we we've been hearing about that and 138 00:06:33,050 --> 00:06:29,759 then the legislation stripped out 139 00:06:34,969 --> 00:06:33,060 conveniently like just a few words that 140 00:06:37,370 --> 00:06:34,979 meant that there was any accountability 141 00:06:40,610 --> 00:06:37,380 and in terms of like a public-facing 142 00:06:42,890 --> 00:06:40,620 quotient to that what do you make of it 143 00:06:44,990 --> 00:06:42,900 well I just make a I think that might be 144 00:06:47,570 --> 00:06:45,000 the reason for why it's not making the 145 00:06:49,309 --> 00:06:47,580 news because it's not good news you know 146 00:06:52,790 --> 00:06:49,319 there's not there's not a good way to 147 00:06:55,010 --> 00:06:52,800 spin that and there's and I think that 148 00:06:57,650 --> 00:06:55,020 that could be like a huge problem here 149 00:07:00,890 --> 00:06:57,660 um is that you know they they they 150 00:07:03,529 --> 00:07:00,900 whiffed they being the UAP task force 151 00:07:06,110 --> 00:07:03,539 office Arrow the Department of Defense 152 00:07:07,909 --> 00:07:06,120 the Pentagon in general whoever you want 153 00:07:09,230 --> 00:07:07,919 to throw blame it you know in the 154 00:07:11,029 --> 00:07:09,240 situation that's like somewhat 155 00:07:13,249 --> 00:07:11,039 responsible for it and has you know 156 00:07:16,129 --> 00:07:13,259 whiffed on giving us a public-facing 157 00:07:19,790 --> 00:07:16,139 report and then like language was 158 00:07:21,350 --> 00:07:19,800 quietly taken out of that ndaa bill for 159 00:07:24,050 --> 00:07:21,360 there to be any public accountability 160 00:07:25,430 --> 00:07:24,060 for for what was found out and so for 161 00:07:28,430 --> 00:07:25,440 right now we're just supposed to be like 162 00:07:30,469 --> 00:07:28,440 really excited that a bunch of 163 00:07:32,390 --> 00:07:30,479 like shitty Congress people are going to 164 00:07:35,330 --> 00:07:32,400 hear about stuff and we're not you know 165 00:07:36,710 --> 00:07:35,340 to be perfectly Frank and like why am I 166 00:07:38,809 --> 00:07:36,720 supposed to be so excited about that I 167 00:07:40,550 --> 00:07:38,819 hate those people like I don't 168 00:07:42,589 --> 00:07:40,560 like to be perfectly Frank with you like 169 00:07:44,450 --> 00:07:42,599 look at this like mess that we're in in 170 00:07:45,890 --> 00:07:44,460 the house right now like no they can't 171 00:07:47,809 --> 00:07:45,900 get anything done they can't get 172 00:07:49,129 --> 00:07:47,819 anything done and then we're supposed to 173 00:07:51,469 --> 00:07:49,139 be psyched that they get to hear 174 00:07:55,309 --> 00:07:51,479 information that we don't like like they 175 00:07:57,050 --> 00:07:55,319 always do sure sure yeah and if they 176 00:08:00,050 --> 00:07:57,060 want to be accountable to the American 177 00:08:01,550 --> 00:08:00,060 people like uh they pledge to do they 178 00:08:03,710 --> 00:08:01,560 would have made sure that there was a 179 00:08:06,770 --> 00:08:03,720 damn UAP report that came out when it 180 00:08:08,510 --> 00:08:06,780 was supposed to months ago yeah you know 181 00:08:11,210 --> 00:08:08,520 but they don't come out and say anything 182 00:08:12,890 --> 00:08:11,220 they don't say oh sorry everybody like 183 00:08:14,450 --> 00:08:12,900 we're working to get this out this is 184 00:08:17,689 --> 00:08:14,460 frustrating why aren't they doing their 185 00:08:19,550 --> 00:08:17,699 job nothing all we get is timberjits in 186 00:08:21,890 --> 00:08:19,560 I don't know why you think you're going 187 00:08:24,050 --> 00:08:21,900 to get anything from the government but 188 00:08:25,850 --> 00:08:24,060 this is all super real and I've seen it 189 00:08:29,089 --> 00:08:25,860 but I don't know why you think you're 190 00:08:32,209 --> 00:08:29,099 gonna like what screw you dude go get it 191 00:08:34,370 --> 00:08:32,219 for us that's why you're elected you 192 00:08:36,469 --> 00:08:34,380 know yeah you're elected to do a job and 193 00:08:39,889 --> 00:08:36,479 you sold the American people 194 00:08:42,889 --> 00:08:39,899 on this right and got it passed in 195 00:08:45,230 --> 00:08:42,899 legislation so now you have to carry 196 00:08:48,470 --> 00:08:45,240 this home you have to make sure the 197 00:08:51,410 --> 00:08:48,480 people get the UAP report otherwise this 198 00:08:53,269 --> 00:08:51,420 is all just talk right yeah absolutely 199 00:08:54,650 --> 00:08:53,279 and you know pardon my language those 200 00:08:57,829 --> 00:08:54,660 folks in the chat or whatever but like 201 00:08:59,810 --> 00:08:57,839 it's it's infuriating that like you know 202 00:09:02,990 --> 00:08:59,820 that there's 203 00:09:05,090 --> 00:09:03,000 it's it kind of follows in line with 204 00:09:06,949 --> 00:09:05,100 you know how sometimes when you read 205 00:09:09,350 --> 00:09:06,959 like the UK press or something like that 206 00:09:10,850 --> 00:09:09,360 and like no offense to anybody from the 207 00:09:13,250 --> 00:09:10,860 UK that's joining us today or whatever 208 00:09:14,810 --> 00:09:13,260 but you know how people in the UK are 209 00:09:16,009 --> 00:09:14,820 completely fed these lines constantly 210 00:09:18,110 --> 00:09:16,019 where they're supposed to be like 211 00:09:20,090 --> 00:09:18,120 obsessed with how like whether the 212 00:09:22,250 --> 00:09:20,100 Royals are having a good or a bad day or 213 00:09:23,930 --> 00:09:22,260 not or whatever and everybody's supposed 214 00:09:26,210 --> 00:09:23,940 to be like oh William's having a really 215 00:09:27,710 --> 00:09:26,220 bad day which looks for him and like 216 00:09:30,290 --> 00:09:27,720 you're supposed to forget about the part 217 00:09:32,389 --> 00:09:30,300 about how you know they're they have 218 00:09:33,949 --> 00:09:32,399 like all the money in the world how you 219 00:09:35,870 --> 00:09:33,959 know they you know they essentially 220 00:09:38,509 --> 00:09:35,880 tried to take over the world for 221 00:09:39,769 --> 00:09:38,519 hundreds of years failed and you know 222 00:09:41,449 --> 00:09:39,779 are sticking around with what they're 223 00:09:44,329 --> 00:09:41,459 doing and and then but you're supposed 224 00:09:45,949 --> 00:09:44,339 to be sad about whether whatever one of 225 00:09:47,630 --> 00:09:45,959 them's having a bad day or not and 226 00:09:49,850 --> 00:09:47,640 similarly here we have this legislation 227 00:09:52,130 --> 00:09:49,860 and we're supposed to be psyched that a 228 00:09:54,650 --> 00:09:52,140 bunch of partisan politicians that like 229 00:09:56,509 --> 00:09:54,660 can't get anything done anyway are going 230 00:09:59,030 --> 00:09:56,519 to hear a bunch of information that we 231 00:10:00,889 --> 00:09:59,040 don't get to hear and like then like 232 00:10:02,570 --> 00:10:00,899 maybe weaponize that knowledge like what 233 00:10:05,750 --> 00:10:02,580 are we supposed to be are we supposed to 234 00:10:08,570 --> 00:10:05,760 be excited I did that they might leak it 235 00:10:10,730 --> 00:10:08,580 because they're because they do stuff 236 00:10:11,810 --> 00:10:10,740 like that relatively consistently is 237 00:10:13,610 --> 00:10:11,820 that what we're supposed to be excited 238 00:10:16,610 --> 00:10:13,620 about and like I think that there are 239 00:10:18,230 --> 00:10:16,620 other aspects of this that you know I 240 00:10:21,290 --> 00:10:18,240 think that there will be more shoes that 241 00:10:23,509 --> 00:10:21,300 will drop in a public-facing way but you 242 00:10:26,810 --> 00:10:23,519 know I don't know that it's because of 243 00:10:29,750 --> 00:10:26,820 the NDA legislation or from this 244 00:10:32,509 --> 00:10:29,760 confident of this task force report that 245 00:10:35,150 --> 00:10:32,519 never you know breached the surface of 246 00:10:36,530 --> 00:10:35,160 public accountability you know it's not 247 00:10:39,230 --> 00:10:36,540 going to be from that it's going to have 248 00:10:42,889 --> 00:10:39,240 to be from from other other pressure 249 00:10:44,750 --> 00:10:42,899 points I think well that's why I was you 250 00:10:46,490 --> 00:10:44,760 know it'd be great if the media did get 251 00:10:48,590 --> 00:10:46,500 on board like I heard somebody say 252 00:10:52,069 --> 00:10:48,600 something like uh well maybe they would 253 00:10:53,030 --> 00:10:52,079 if there is more evidence okay so you 254 00:10:55,430 --> 00:10:53,040 know 255 00:10:59,870 --> 00:10:55,440 um all this language in the ndaa 256 00:11:02,210 --> 00:10:59,880 legislation is evidence of something I'm 257 00:11:04,130 --> 00:11:02,220 not saying what it's evidence of but it 258 00:11:06,310 --> 00:11:04,140 is of something 259 00:11:08,210 --> 00:11:06,320 and it's being made out to be 260 00:11:11,150 --> 00:11:08,220 otherworldly by a lot of different 261 00:11:14,269 --> 00:11:11,160 people including Chris Mellon who helped 262 00:11:17,030 --> 00:11:14,279 get this past and the media just doesn't 263 00:11:19,670 --> 00:11:17,040 do anything and if they did they could 264 00:11:22,790 --> 00:11:19,680 ratchet up the actual pressure to get 265 00:11:24,829 --> 00:11:22,800 something like a UAP report out to the 266 00:11:26,449 --> 00:11:24,839 public I mean one of the things I've 267 00:11:30,769 --> 00:11:26,459 learned looking at all those blue book 268 00:11:34,250 --> 00:11:30,779 files and all those cases right what was 269 00:11:36,710 --> 00:11:34,260 when the media got a hold of one of the 270 00:11:39,050 --> 00:11:36,720 UFO reports whether it be military or 271 00:11:41,930 --> 00:11:39,060 civilian or whatever whenever they knew 272 00:11:44,690 --> 00:11:41,940 the media was going to get this or it 273 00:11:46,250 --> 00:11:44,700 was reported to the media the Air 274 00:11:48,949 --> 00:11:46,260 Force's effort into actually 275 00:11:52,009 --> 00:11:48,959 investigating the case went up like 276 00:11:54,949 --> 00:11:52,019 tenfold and you can see it in the 277 00:11:57,769 --> 00:11:54,959 documentation for one case versus like 278 00:12:01,310 --> 00:11:57,779 Lonnie Zamora and Socorro right there's 279 00:12:03,829 --> 00:12:01,320 oh there's hundreds of documents on that 280 00:12:06,889 --> 00:12:03,839 case from the Air Force right but 281 00:12:08,810 --> 00:12:06,899 there's is a report where you know like 282 00:12:10,730 --> 00:12:08,820 someone like me saw something in this 283 00:12:13,190 --> 00:12:10,740 guy called the Air Force said yeah it 284 00:12:15,829 --> 00:12:13,200 was white that moved really fast that 285 00:12:18,470 --> 00:12:15,839 there's two pages on it you know yeah 286 00:12:19,970 --> 00:12:18,480 because they don't have to care 287 00:12:22,190 --> 00:12:19,980 so 288 00:12:23,750 --> 00:12:22,200 like the only way to make them care is 289 00:12:27,829 --> 00:12:23,760 by everyone doing what they're supposed 290 00:12:31,009 --> 00:12:27,839 to do and part of journalist's job is to 291 00:12:33,530 --> 00:12:31,019 go after stuff like this and they don't 292 00:12:36,829 --> 00:12:33,540 and like my hope and and when I say 293 00:12:38,509 --> 00:12:36,839 media I I like I'm leaving out you know 294 00:12:41,269 --> 00:12:38,519 people that do cover it whether it be 295 00:12:43,610 --> 00:12:41,279 Tom Rogan or you know Politico Brian 296 00:12:46,190 --> 00:12:43,620 Bender or you know debrief or whoever 297 00:12:47,690 --> 00:12:46,200 I'm talking about like how you described 298 00:12:50,210 --> 00:12:47,700 it earlier which I think thought was 299 00:12:52,610 --> 00:12:50,220 perfect partisan partisan news channels 300 00:12:56,750 --> 00:12:52,620 you know yeah because that's all they do 301 00:12:57,889 --> 00:12:56,760 is is there a 24 hour a day campaign 302 00:13:01,190 --> 00:12:57,899 commercial 303 00:13:03,410 --> 00:13:01,200 100 specifically yeah and and it's and 304 00:13:05,750 --> 00:13:03,420 it doesn't matter which you know you 305 00:13:07,250 --> 00:13:05,760 could be on this side or that side or 306 00:13:09,050 --> 00:13:07,260 whatever like you still have the news 307 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:09,060 channel that suits you or whatever or 308 00:13:12,290 --> 00:13:10,800 that's what it's supposed to do it's 309 00:13:14,690 --> 00:13:12,300 supposed to sit there and like placate 310 00:13:15,889 --> 00:13:14,700 you know people on one side of the aisle 311 00:13:17,990 --> 00:13:15,899 or the other side of the aisle or 312 00:13:20,449 --> 00:13:18,000 whatever and and you know and generally 313 00:13:22,550 --> 00:13:20,459 speaking it does a terrible job of 314 00:13:24,949 --> 00:13:22,560 giving you a thorough accounting of what 315 00:13:26,389 --> 00:13:24,959 the news actually is or speaking to 316 00:13:28,490 --> 00:13:26,399 people that like might be in the middle 317 00:13:31,190 --> 00:13:28,500 or might be independent or might or you 318 00:13:33,410 --> 00:13:31,200 know might not observe you know exactly 319 00:13:35,870 --> 00:13:33,420 the party lines and then in which you 320 00:13:37,490 --> 00:13:35,880 know form that there is or or be 321 00:13:39,970 --> 00:13:37,500 interesting to anybody from any other 322 00:13:43,610 --> 00:13:39,980 country right you know right 323 00:13:45,949 --> 00:13:43,620 and you know I so yeah I I completely 324 00:13:48,050 --> 00:13:45,959 agree with you I mean one one great 325 00:13:51,410 --> 00:13:48,060 thing that's happened recently with 326 00:13:53,150 --> 00:13:51,420 regard to you know task the ndaa the 327 00:13:55,310 --> 00:13:53,160 task force reporting in general and that 328 00:13:57,769 --> 00:13:55,320 kind of General restructuring that I 329 00:13:59,870 --> 00:13:57,779 appreciate is just that that like the 330 00:14:01,610 --> 00:13:59,880 that there seems to be a more 331 00:14:04,190 --> 00:14:01,620 transparent process for the reports 332 00:14:07,850 --> 00:14:04,200 happening and that that destigmatizing 333 00:14:11,210 --> 00:14:07,860 of the reports happening is is there and 334 00:14:13,670 --> 00:14:11,220 so you know it's seemingly we won't have 335 00:14:17,150 --> 00:14:13,680 the kind of uh needle in a haystack 336 00:14:19,069 --> 00:14:17,160 problem that that has existed for for 337 00:14:21,590 --> 00:14:19,079 decades and in fact there's like 338 00:14:23,150 --> 00:14:21,600 hundreds of needles as you as you were 339 00:14:25,910 --> 00:14:23,160 just pointing out you know there are 340 00:14:27,889 --> 00:14:25,920 tons and tons and tons of Case Files 341 00:14:31,250 --> 00:14:27,899 um from the old days and that's even 342 00:14:33,350 --> 00:14:31,260 with the situation of probably I'm not 343 00:14:35,810 --> 00:14:33,360 going to put a number on it but like you 344 00:14:38,629 --> 00:14:35,820 know probably the majority of the cases 345 00:14:40,370 --> 00:14:38,639 got squashed just from you know peer 346 00:14:41,509 --> 00:14:40,380 pressure or people thinking like oh I 347 00:14:43,150 --> 00:14:41,519 don't want to look like a crazy person 348 00:14:46,730 --> 00:14:43,160 or whatever I'm not going to report this 349 00:14:49,370 --> 00:14:46,740 over and over again in those documents 350 00:14:52,129 --> 00:14:49,380 you see it in the Air Force's own words 351 00:14:56,629 --> 00:14:52,139 that this person is 352 00:14:59,389 --> 00:14:56,639 um a trustworthy witness they don't want 353 00:15:02,870 --> 00:14:59,399 any public Felicity they didn't want to 354 00:15:06,230 --> 00:15:02,880 report it because of that possibility at 355 00:15:07,850 --> 00:15:06,240 first or because of the stigma in many 356 00:15:09,530 --> 00:15:07,860 different ways that said throughout the 357 00:15:11,329 --> 00:15:09,540 files and I see Graham here what's up 358 00:15:13,550 --> 00:15:11,339 Graham here in the chat you can vouch 359 00:15:16,009 --> 00:15:13,560 for me he's he's read all these files 360 00:15:19,009 --> 00:15:16,019 and how many people have said things 361 00:15:19,730 --> 00:15:19,019 like that you know and 362 00:15:22,069 --> 00:15:19,740 um 363 00:15:24,889 --> 00:15:22,079 you know we've come like 364 00:15:27,110 --> 00:15:24,899 way too far for the media to just drop 365 00:15:30,889 --> 00:15:27,120 the ball on this you know 70 some years 366 00:15:36,069 --> 00:15:30,899 and a lot of this is their fault too 367 00:15:42,110 --> 00:15:39,949 they rode this UFO train all hot to trot 368 00:15:44,990 --> 00:15:42,120 for many years and years and then 369 00:15:47,629 --> 00:15:45,000 switched down a dime and and got 370 00:15:49,970 --> 00:15:47,639 disparaging towards people and then they 371 00:15:52,129 --> 00:15:49,980 come back with this New York Times piece 372 00:15:54,650 --> 00:15:52,139 which was great and it's just all over 373 00:15:56,449 --> 00:15:54,660 the news then they disappear again you 374 00:15:59,090 --> 00:15:56,459 know when they created this whole thing 375 00:16:02,410 --> 00:15:59,100 to begin with by saying can it Kevin 376 00:16:07,189 --> 00:16:02,420 Arnold uh saw flying saucers right right 377 00:16:09,410 --> 00:16:07,199 yeah you know 100 and a reporting in the 378 00:16:10,189 --> 00:16:09,420 Roswell newspaper that we recovered a 379 00:16:11,449 --> 00:16:10,199 disc 380 00:16:14,810 --> 00:16:11,459 mm-hmm 381 00:16:16,430 --> 00:16:14,820 yeah I mean it's it's essentially right 382 00:16:19,189 --> 00:16:16,440 now it feels like we're in a brief 383 00:16:21,170 --> 00:16:19,199 bubble moment where you know it's it's 384 00:16:23,329 --> 00:16:21,180 again it falls right in the line of like 385 00:16:26,150 --> 00:16:23,339 information management at the same time 386 00:16:29,449 --> 00:16:26,160 that this legislation is getting passed 387 00:16:31,490 --> 00:16:29,459 you're getting simultaneous like opinion 388 00:16:33,410 --> 00:16:31,500 pieces which aren't coming from out of 389 00:16:35,509 --> 00:16:33,420 nowhere you know with some people that 390 00:16:38,210 --> 00:16:35,519 are suddenly motivated to make fun of 391 00:16:41,509 --> 00:16:38,220 people that that you know believe in 392 00:16:43,970 --> 00:16:41,519 UFOs or whatever yeah right after after 393 00:16:46,310 --> 00:16:43,980 we we have like official acknowledgment 394 00:16:49,670 --> 00:16:46,320 of those cockpit videos 395 00:16:53,689 --> 00:16:49,680 etc etc after the NDA legislation passes 396 00:16:56,090 --> 00:16:53,699 you still have these articles 397 00:16:58,970 --> 00:16:56,100 um like that Holman Jenkins article in 398 00:17:01,490 --> 00:16:58,980 the in the Wall Street Journal right and 399 00:17:03,769 --> 00:17:01,500 and um you know I think we can we can 400 00:17:06,289 --> 00:17:03,779 bounce over to those articles soon that 401 00:17:08,390 --> 00:17:06,299 we're kind of rebutted that but go ahead 402 00:17:10,909 --> 00:17:08,400 I wanted to bring up this quick because 403 00:17:14,870 --> 00:17:10,919 I just Googled the Jenkins UFO Wall 404 00:17:17,090 --> 00:17:14,880 Street Journal and you can see like 405 00:17:19,130 --> 00:17:17,100 does this guy have an agenda or not what 406 00:17:21,530 --> 00:17:19,140 do you think UFO's mystery shouldn't 407 00:17:23,929 --> 00:17:21,540 drag on UFOs don't flatter yourself why 408 00:17:26,689 --> 00:17:23,939 would you trust the Pentagon on UFOs on 409 00:17:29,690 --> 00:17:26,699 UFOs don't trust Your Lying Eyes that's 410 00:17:32,150 --> 00:17:29,700 right you the UFO bubble Goes Pop the 411 00:17:35,810 --> 00:17:32,160 UFO crowd wants an alien invasion for 412 00:17:38,990 --> 00:17:35,820 Christmas like what what the hell is up 413 00:17:41,870 --> 00:17:39,000 with this guy you know instead of like 414 00:17:45,409 --> 00:17:41,880 here's here's what I would do if I was 415 00:17:47,450 --> 00:17:45,419 you know a reporter like that and I was 416 00:17:49,310 --> 00:17:47,460 interested in the UFO thing but I 417 00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:49,320 thought it was crap well what I would 418 00:17:53,390 --> 00:17:52,320 have to do what would be up to me is to 419 00:17:56,270 --> 00:17:53,400 prove 420 00:17:59,150 --> 00:17:56,280 why all this stuff is going on why 421 00:18:01,730 --> 00:17:59,160 they're passing this legislation why 422 00:18:05,510 --> 00:18:01,740 Congress and everybody agreed to put 423 00:18:08,150 --> 00:18:05,520 this in there why Arrow was created why 424 00:18:11,630 --> 00:18:08,160 these videos were released why is Lou 425 00:18:14,090 --> 00:18:11,640 Elizondo res why did he resign and come 426 00:18:16,490 --> 00:18:14,100 out to talk about this stuff like you 427 00:18:18,409 --> 00:18:16,500 have to investigate and figure that out 428 00:18:22,130 --> 00:18:18,419 improve your point 429 00:18:24,650 --> 00:18:22,140 100 yeah because it's not just people 430 00:18:27,529 --> 00:18:24,660 anymore saying I see something you know 431 00:18:29,630 --> 00:18:27,539 whatever like this is the highest levels 432 00:18:31,789 --> 00:18:29,640 of authority in this country are 433 00:18:37,490 --> 00:18:31,799 acknowledging this and talking about it 434 00:18:40,130 --> 00:18:37,500 you know and passing it law on it and so 435 00:18:42,110 --> 00:18:40,140 if you're gonna say it's not real in in 436 00:18:43,850 --> 00:18:42,120 you know make fun of people who are 437 00:18:47,870 --> 00:18:43,860 paying attention to this 438 00:18:51,409 --> 00:18:47,880 prove to us why it isn't real prove to 439 00:18:55,130 --> 00:18:51,419 us why this legislation is crap or you 440 00:18:57,650 --> 00:18:55,140 think loses person or you prove it come 441 00:19:01,610 --> 00:18:57,660 up with why he would do it at least a 442 00:19:04,190 --> 00:19:01,620 well thought out idea of why things are 443 00:19:08,210 --> 00:19:04,200 going on this way you know they can't 444 00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:08,220 even do that no no I mean all all it 445 00:19:14,810 --> 00:19:11,520 goes back to is the UFO crowd wants UFOs 446 00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:14,820 for Christmas or whatever and and you 447 00:19:21,230 --> 00:19:17,280 know it's such a broken it's such a 448 00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:21,240 broken way to create any kind of uh a 449 00:19:26,270 --> 00:19:23,520 solid discussion it has absolutely 450 00:19:28,010 --> 00:19:26,280 nothing to do with with the points and 451 00:19:29,690 --> 00:19:28,020 they're you know 452 00:19:32,270 --> 00:19:29,700 as we can get into with some of these 453 00:19:34,730 --> 00:19:32,280 articles that you know there is the the 454 00:19:38,450 --> 00:19:34,740 common rebuttal like oh it's all a 455 00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:38,460 mirage that's supposed to hide our our 456 00:19:44,029 --> 00:19:42,960 confidential aircraft right and and that 457 00:19:47,029 --> 00:19:44,039 is 458 00:19:49,130 --> 00:19:47,039 that's a convenient reality for 459 00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:49,140 certainly some of these cases you know 460 00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:51,600 what I mean but it doesn't explain the 461 00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:53,520 history of it and we all know that you 462 00:19:57,310 --> 00:19:54,960 know if you look at the history of the 463 00:20:00,950 --> 00:19:57,320 cases you know we did not have 464 00:20:03,650 --> 00:20:00,960 anti-gravity flying triangles in 1949 we 465 00:20:06,529 --> 00:20:03,660 just didn't right we did not have like 466 00:20:10,730 --> 00:20:06,539 the capability to have like you know 467 00:20:13,970 --> 00:20:10,740 plasma shielded you know like craft like 468 00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:13,980 flying information over Washington DC in 469 00:20:18,110 --> 00:20:16,320 1952 we just didn't you know what I mean 470 00:20:20,510 --> 00:20:18,120 like these were things that we did not 471 00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:20,520 have the capability for 472 00:20:23,930 --> 00:20:22,080 um you know with no you know flight 473 00:20:25,730 --> 00:20:23,940 surfaces or means of propulsion 474 00:20:28,490 --> 00:20:25,740 noticeable immune propulsion all these 475 00:20:30,350 --> 00:20:28,500 kinds of situations right so you know I 476 00:20:33,169 --> 00:20:30,360 I know you know we're preaching to the 477 00:20:37,070 --> 00:20:33,179 choir here but it's it's it's really 478 00:20:38,750 --> 00:20:37,080 important to to remind folks that the 479 00:20:41,450 --> 00:20:38,760 history the history of this field is 480 00:20:45,169 --> 00:20:41,460 vast and that people are not doing their 481 00:20:47,150 --> 00:20:45,179 due diligence even after after the 60 482 00:20:50,210 --> 00:20:47,160 Minutes piece even after the New York 483 00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:50,220 piece New Yorker piece even after the 484 00:20:54,049 --> 00:20:52,080 series that Leslie and Ralph and Helene 485 00:20:55,310 --> 00:20:54,059 Cooper did for the New York Times even 486 00:20:57,470 --> 00:20:55,320 after 487 00:20:59,930 --> 00:20:57,480 um you know Politico you know Brian 488 00:21:01,789 --> 00:20:59,940 Bender's uh news organization I mean 489 00:21:04,190 --> 00:21:01,799 it's not his but it works there 490 00:21:07,610 --> 00:21:04,200 um you know their follow-up reporting on 491 00:21:10,190 --> 00:21:07,620 on Leslie and Ralph's uh work and you 492 00:21:12,350 --> 00:21:10,200 know it's it it boggles the minds that 493 00:21:14,650 --> 00:21:12,360 after all of that you know they're just 494 00:21:17,450 --> 00:21:14,660 going to try to hit their certain people 495 00:21:20,210 --> 00:21:17,460 within the media that are going to try 496 00:21:22,370 --> 00:21:20,220 to hit the refresh button and act as if 497 00:21:25,070 --> 00:21:22,380 you know 498 00:21:27,169 --> 00:21:25,080 that that the history of this of this 499 00:21:29,630 --> 00:21:27,179 field only goes back to 2004 or 500 00:21:32,570 --> 00:21:29,640 something like that right and it's you 501 00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:32,580 know a lie it's a horrible and there's 502 00:21:37,730 --> 00:21:35,039 no excuse because at this point it's 503 00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:37,740 just incredibly lazy to not find more 504 00:21:43,250 --> 00:21:41,280 information on uaps you know one of the 505 00:21:44,169 --> 00:21:43,260 things that that we have an issue with 506 00:21:47,330 --> 00:21:44,179 today 507 00:21:51,409 --> 00:21:47,340 and I think it's a real issue is the 508 00:21:54,529 --> 00:21:51,419 mixing of UAP in drones right you know 509 00:21:56,570 --> 00:21:54,539 now people are seeing something and they 510 00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:56,580 don't know what it is so the go-to is a 511 00:22:03,169 --> 00:21:59,760 drone right right when there's UAP stuff 512 00:22:06,529 --> 00:22:03,179 too but even at that level even if it is 513 00:22:09,230 --> 00:22:06,539 like let's just pretend that all these 514 00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:09,240 incidents we heard about are drones how 515 00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:11,340 is that not a story how do you not want 516 00:22:16,130 --> 00:22:13,919 to find out more about that for instance 517 00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:16,140 like this Tom Rogan piece in the 518 00:22:21,049 --> 00:22:18,960 Washington examiner unidentified your 519 00:22:24,169 --> 00:22:21,059 own sighted flying over U.S government 520 00:22:27,289 --> 00:22:24,179 nuclear labs like if they did any 521 00:22:30,850 --> 00:22:27,299 research if this douchebag did any 522 00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:30,860 research over at the post he would find 523 00:22:37,610 --> 00:22:34,080 Jenkins would find that this same exact 524 00:22:40,669 --> 00:22:37,620 thing has happened since the late 40s at 525 00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:40,679 Los Alamos and I don't mean like oh you 526 00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:42,960 got one report of a guy saw a light and 527 00:22:47,810 --> 00:22:45,120 that was about it you know no that it 528 00:22:50,090 --> 00:22:47,820 happened for years over Los Alamos then 529 00:22:53,330 --> 00:22:50,100 you take it in the 60s over melstrom Air 530 00:22:56,930 --> 00:22:53,340 Force Base uh Minot Air Force Base 531 00:22:59,090 --> 00:22:56,940 um Cheyenne or Warren Air Force Base all 532 00:23:01,010 --> 00:22:59,100 over the place over this nuclear stuff 533 00:23:04,010 --> 00:23:01,020 and whether you think it's drones or not 534 00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:04,020 that is a story a good journalist would 535 00:23:10,730 --> 00:23:06,960 go after because guess what if it is a 536 00:23:13,310 --> 00:23:10,740 drone and they drop some sort of bomb on 537 00:23:15,529 --> 00:23:13,320 our nuclear stuff that is a huge story 538 00:23:17,330 --> 00:23:15,539 with Clues all over the place right now 539 00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:17,340 that that could happen and you're not 540 00:23:21,770 --> 00:23:19,440 doing anything about it you're not 541 00:23:24,770 --> 00:23:21,780 reporting it to the public you're just 542 00:23:28,010 --> 00:23:24,780 being lazy and and making fun of people 543 00:23:30,590 --> 00:23:28,020 who uh believe in aliens you know yeah 544 00:23:33,169 --> 00:23:30,600 yeah it's like they're for almost like 545 00:23:35,210 --> 00:23:33,179 they're afraid of the truth yeah now 546 00:23:37,010 --> 00:23:35,220 getting into I'm glad you brought up the 547 00:23:39,289 --> 00:23:37,020 Washington examiner article do you mind 548 00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,299 if I just pull out a couple quotes from 549 00:23:46,190 --> 00:23:41,520 it to read or it's just yeah so to catch 550 00:23:47,390 --> 00:23:46,200 people up okay so so okay so right here 551 00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:47,400 that you know we have the headline 552 00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:49,919 unidentified drones cited flying over 553 00:23:54,649 --> 00:23:52,799 U.S government nuclear Labs 554 00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:54,659 um and Freedom of Information Act 555 00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:56,640 request by the net Washington examiner 556 00:24:00,289 --> 00:23:58,080 have returned four reports of 557 00:24:02,930 --> 00:24:00,299 unidentified Airborne vehicle intrusions 558 00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:02,940 that sensitive U.S government nuclear 559 00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:06,480 Laboratories between March 8 2018 and 560 00:24:11,570 --> 00:24:09,120 April 2021. in each case security 561 00:24:14,029 --> 00:24:11,580 officers failed to identify the operator 562 00:24:16,730 --> 00:24:14,039 of these apparent vehicles or their 563 00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:16,740 intent they failed to identify making 564 00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:19,679 them unidentified the reports bear 565 00:24:24,409 --> 00:24:22,080 attention for two reasons it says first 566 00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:24,419 they raise the possibility of hostile 567 00:24:28,909 --> 00:24:27,120 foreign Espionage targeting sensitive 568 00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,919 U.S government research like you were 569 00:24:33,230 --> 00:24:30,960 saying Sean such Espionage would 570 00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,240 feasibly offer significant military or 571 00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:35,520 technological value as events by 572 00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:37,440 Lawrence Livermore National laboratory's 573 00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:39,840 recent successful Fusion ignition 574 00:24:43,549 --> 00:24:42,240 experiment now that's a really really 575 00:24:47,230 --> 00:24:43,559 key point 576 00:24:50,210 --> 00:24:47,240 see three of these apparent you know 577 00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:50,220 sightings in the last few years happened 578 00:24:56,029 --> 00:24:52,860 at happened over Larry Livermore 579 00:24:58,250 --> 00:24:56,039 National Laboratory which is where um 580 00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:58,260 that recent nuclear fusion breakthrough 581 00:25:04,190 --> 00:25:01,679 was announced right and it these and 582 00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,200 these and these sightings happened while 583 00:25:09,529 --> 00:25:06,480 Larry Livermore laboratory National 584 00:25:11,930 --> 00:25:09,539 Laboratories a very classified you know 585 00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:11,940 National Laboratory was working on 586 00:25:17,810 --> 00:25:13,919 nuclear fusion 587 00:25:20,029 --> 00:25:17,820 right okay so that's fascinating for all 588 00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:20,039 sorts of different reasons right you 589 00:25:23,930 --> 00:25:22,320 know I mean a you know how much does 590 00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:23,940 this fall in line with what we've heard 591 00:25:28,669 --> 00:25:26,100 from people like Robert Salas and others 592 00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:28,679 with regard to and Hastings and others 593 00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:32,640 with regard to how interested or even 594 00:25:36,529 --> 00:25:34,320 Omega our friend Omega point or the 595 00:25:39,769 --> 00:25:36,539 hermaphic penetrator with regard to both 596 00:25:42,890 --> 00:25:39,779 nuclear baiting and the interest of of 597 00:25:45,169 --> 00:25:42,900 UAP in general with our nuclear 598 00:25:49,549 --> 00:25:45,179 facilities our nuclear capabilities and 599 00:25:52,669 --> 00:25:49,559 tracking nuclear movements right so who 600 00:25:55,730 --> 00:25:52,679 knew about this nuclear fusion project 601 00:25:58,010 --> 00:25:55,740 happening you know like what that should 602 00:25:59,930 --> 00:25:58,020 be a huge story because the nuclear 603 00:26:03,049 --> 00:25:59,940 fusion breakthrough was one of the 604 00:26:05,810 --> 00:26:03,059 biggest stories of last year and last 605 00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:05,820 but right and and one of the biggest 606 00:26:09,529 --> 00:26:07,679 science stories 607 00:26:12,169 --> 00:26:09,539 um in years right people had been 608 00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:12,179 working definitely for decades decades 609 00:26:16,210 --> 00:26:14,400 they've been working on it and so the 610 00:26:18,590 --> 00:26:16,220 idea that that would have that that 611 00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:18,600 experiment and that breakthrough would 612 00:26:22,850 --> 00:26:20,159 have been compromised and would have 613 00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:22,860 been tracked in a surveillance way for 614 00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:23,940 years 615 00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:27,120 isn't that a huge story it really is 616 00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,480 right and Tom Rogan God bless him he did 617 00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:32,400 a great job covering it but he's only 618 00:26:38,269 --> 00:26:36,240 one guy you know right like and and the 619 00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:38,279 frustrating part is 620 00:26:42,289 --> 00:26:41,600 about this stuff is you got that other 621 00:26:43,310 --> 00:26:42,299 [Music] 622 00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:43,320 um 623 00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:46,559 that other dude uh Barnes over at New 624 00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,200 York Times writes writes his little uh 625 00:26:56,210 --> 00:26:51,600 piece on the UAP report that never came 626 00:26:59,390 --> 00:26:56,220 out from his confidential DOD source 627 00:27:01,850 --> 00:26:59,400 you know and I can't even count probably 628 00:27:04,130 --> 00:27:01,860 on two hands how many other papers 629 00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:04,140 picked up that story and basically copy 630 00:27:09,529 --> 00:27:07,200 and pasted it on the on their yeah on 631 00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:09,539 their site you know meanwhile like 632 00:27:16,730 --> 00:27:13,440 reality is here presented by Tom Rogan 633 00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:16,740 right right and one picks it up not one 634 00:27:20,269 --> 00:27:17,880 other paper 635 00:27:22,669 --> 00:27:20,279 right or what online website or whatever 636 00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:22,679 picks up his story and copy and paste it 637 00:27:27,710 --> 00:27:25,200 on the on their stuff you know like 638 00:27:31,130 --> 00:27:27,720 there's something really off 639 00:27:33,049 --> 00:27:31,140 about this that's like pissed me off the 640 00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,059 more I think about it you know yeah 641 00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:35,760 again and yeah right keep going I'm 642 00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:36,480 sorry 643 00:27:42,769 --> 00:27:40,080 well it it just like to me you know what 644 00:27:45,529 --> 00:27:42,779 are our facts our facts are the the main 645 00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:45,539 the bigger issue the outlets that are 646 00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:48,960 writing about this right uh hit pieces 647 00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:53,039 you know otherwise it's nothing so to to 648 00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,720 me 649 00:27:59,090 --> 00:27:56,880 you know and I hate to say this but 650 00:28:01,730 --> 00:27:59,100 there there has to be 651 00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:01,740 there absolutely has to be some sort of 652 00:28:05,450 --> 00:28:03,360 government 653 00:28:08,390 --> 00:28:05,460 um influence over these people over 654 00:28:11,870 --> 00:28:08,400 these Outlets these media outlets and is 655 00:28:13,250 --> 00:28:11,880 telling them either not to do it or 656 00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:13,260 something 657 00:28:18,529 --> 00:28:16,440 well I mean at the at a very very basic 658 00:28:21,529 --> 00:28:18,539 level I a I agree with you completely 659 00:28:24,529 --> 00:28:21,539 and be at a very basic level you know a 660 00:28:27,049 --> 00:28:24,539 lot of the bigger media organizations in 661 00:28:30,169 --> 00:28:27,059 the United States and even abroad other 662 00:28:33,769 --> 00:28:30,179 other world news situations you know 663 00:28:36,350 --> 00:28:33,779 they're either directly funded by the 664 00:28:39,769 --> 00:28:36,360 government like the BBC even in the UK 665 00:28:42,529 --> 00:28:39,779 for example or you know many Russian 666 00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:42,539 news Services many Ukrainian many all 667 00:28:45,649 --> 00:28:44,880 over you know in in each country and 668 00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:45,659 then 669 00:28:52,010 --> 00:28:49,320 also on top of that you know papers like 670 00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:52,020 the New York Times for example 671 00:28:56,210 --> 00:28:54,000 um you know which I read almost every 672 00:28:57,950 --> 00:28:56,220 day you know regardless of whether I 673 00:29:01,549 --> 00:28:57,960 agree with some of their articles or not 674 00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:01,559 you know I read it out of habit and you 675 00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,520 know it papers like that do check in and 676 00:29:10,090 --> 00:29:07,679 they and they'll State very clearly that 677 00:29:13,850 --> 00:29:10,100 they'll they'll check with Washington 678 00:29:16,010 --> 00:29:13,860 with regard to whether uh something is 679 00:29:19,250 --> 00:29:16,020 confidential or not or whether something 680 00:29:22,130 --> 00:29:19,260 you know what I mean and so if there is 681 00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,140 like a plausible reason 682 00:29:27,169 --> 00:29:24,720 you know for this to have happened you 683 00:29:30,049 --> 00:29:27,179 know like Leslie and Ralph were working 684 00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:30,059 with Helene Cooper and Helene Cooper is 685 00:29:36,169 --> 00:29:33,360 is is is strongly tied to to Washington 686 00:29:38,330 --> 00:29:36,179 DC and the Pentagon and so you know 687 00:29:40,850 --> 00:29:38,340 there was a lot of kind of go-betweening 688 00:29:43,850 --> 00:29:40,860 there in terms of like being able to get 689 00:29:46,490 --> 00:29:43,860 that initial story out right right and 690 00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:46,500 and so this could very much fall into a 691 00:29:51,230 --> 00:29:49,260 situation where even if there wasn't a 692 00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:51,240 continuation of project Mockingbird 693 00:29:54,889 --> 00:29:52,799 which we should probably go into a 694 00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:54,899 little bit but even if there wasn't that 695 00:30:02,029 --> 00:29:58,559 and there almost certainly is then then 696 00:30:04,430 --> 00:30:02,039 you also have the kind of more revealed 697 00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:04,440 aspect where news media organizations 698 00:30:07,789 --> 00:30:06,480 say well we don't we wouldn't publish 699 00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:07,799 anything that would compromise National 700 00:30:12,590 --> 00:30:10,860 Security right but what's the you know 701 00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,600 where does that stop like where does 702 00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:14,640 that line stop is it a is it a black 703 00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:17,039 line or is it a big gray area and it 704 00:30:21,649 --> 00:30:18,720 certainly seems like it's probably a big 705 00:30:24,169 --> 00:30:21,659 gray area it's definitely a bunch of 706 00:30:26,269 --> 00:30:24,179 because all they do is 707 00:30:28,250 --> 00:30:26,279 threaten National Security with the way 708 00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:28,260 that they get people at each other's 709 00:30:35,210 --> 00:30:31,200 throats you know all they do is take the 710 00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,220 most uh salacious drama line they can 711 00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,200 find from any politician throw it out 712 00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:39,360 there on the news and get people angry 713 00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,279 because they want more people to come 714 00:30:45,409 --> 00:30:43,440 out and vote and how do you get them to 715 00:30:49,730 --> 00:30:45,419 do that is make them as emotional about 716 00:30:52,669 --> 00:30:49,740 it as possible sure you know and that is 717 00:30:54,430 --> 00:30:52,679 harming National Security 718 00:30:58,010 --> 00:30:54,440 yeah yeah 719 00:30:59,389 --> 00:30:58,020 but I I yeah I agree I was watching I 720 00:31:03,350 --> 00:30:59,399 was watching this real this new 721 00:31:06,830 --> 00:31:03,360 documentary on HBO uh called this place 722 00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:06,840 rules and um and it was run by this kind 723 00:31:10,970 --> 00:31:09,600 of this young kind of gen z uh group 724 00:31:14,090 --> 00:31:10,980 called Channel they call themselves 725 00:31:16,850 --> 00:31:14,100 channel five and they were basically 726 00:31:18,649 --> 00:31:16,860 um running right into 727 00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:18,659 um so many of the protests that were 728 00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:22,080 happening in 2020 and 2021 729 00:31:26,750 --> 00:31:24,240 and even before that 730 00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:26,760 um like Charlottesville for example and 731 00:31:31,730 --> 00:31:28,799 so like black lives matter protests and 732 00:31:32,990 --> 00:31:31,740 and uh proud boys protest all these 733 00:31:34,909 --> 00:31:33,000 different kind of situations where 734 00:31:36,649 --> 00:31:34,919 people were out in the streets either 735 00:31:39,169 --> 00:31:36,659 yelling at each other or like actively 736 00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:39,179 fighting with each other right and they 737 00:31:45,649 --> 00:31:41,760 were covering it you know almost like 738 00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,659 um gen Z kind of like uh like uh 739 00:31:49,789 --> 00:31:47,760 irresponsible War reporters or something 740 00:31:52,850 --> 00:31:49,799 like this in a way and it comes across 741 00:31:55,250 --> 00:31:52,860 that way right and yeah all gas no 742 00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:55,260 breaks Victor you know thanks Victor and 743 00:31:59,330 --> 00:31:57,600 uh they started as all gas no breaks and 744 00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:59,340 then they moved to what's called channel 745 00:32:02,750 --> 00:32:01,440 five right and the thing is is that when 746 00:32:07,070 --> 00:32:02,760 you watch this documentary it's like 747 00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:07,080 holy you know the amount of of you know 748 00:32:10,250 --> 00:32:08,640 when you're talking about what you're 749 00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:10,260 talking about is very real in terms of 750 00:32:17,450 --> 00:32:14,340 like how spun up people got and continue 751 00:32:19,370 --> 00:32:17,460 to get and you know what that does in 752 00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:19,380 terms of you know people being online 753 00:32:23,570 --> 00:32:20,880 people being out in the streets and 754 00:32:26,210 --> 00:32:23,580 whatnot and and 755 00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:26,220 you know there's there's a lot of 756 00:32:31,490 --> 00:32:27,840 you know there's a lot of blame to throw 757 00:32:33,889 --> 00:32:31,500 around at all sides of of you know the 758 00:32:35,210 --> 00:32:33,899 public discourse with regard to to those 759 00:32:39,169 --> 00:32:35,220 topics for sure 760 00:32:40,850 --> 00:32:39,179 yeah um no it's yeah I guess like 761 00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:40,860 my point is 762 00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:43,260 that you know which also really doesn't 763 00:32:47,570 --> 00:32:45,840 make sense but uh it just seems like you 764 00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:47,580 know the media has some sort of agenda 765 00:32:55,010 --> 00:32:51,120 and it's uh partisan-based getting their 766 00:32:57,529 --> 00:32:55,020 party to win you know whoever it is 767 00:33:01,250 --> 00:32:57,539 um because it doesn't release it doesn't 768 00:33:03,049 --> 00:33:01,260 seem like it's about ratings really or 769 00:33:04,430 --> 00:33:03,059 getting more people to watch right 770 00:33:06,889 --> 00:33:04,440 because 771 00:33:09,230 --> 00:33:06,899 if it was CNN would have probably been 772 00:33:13,149 --> 00:33:09,240 nicer to Trump because their ratings 773 00:33:15,289 --> 00:33:13,159 just got really bad during that old time 774 00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:15,299 yeah so 775 00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:18,480 like in UFOs you talk about UFOs that's 776 00:33:22,909 --> 00:33:20,159 some of the most popular stuff that 777 00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,919 people talk about like uh like you know 778 00:33:26,269 --> 00:33:24,720 like Ross called our releases a 779 00:33:29,690 --> 00:33:26,279 documentary that things like their most 780 00:33:32,409 --> 00:33:29,700 played video on their whole YouTube 781 00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:32,419 channel you know for that news station 782 00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:35,279 uh Ralph Blumenthal and Lizzie Kane like 783 00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:36,960 they released their story that was like 784 00:33:41,210 --> 00:33:38,880 the most viewed piece for for a very 785 00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:41,220 long time and it's because it it's 786 00:33:47,870 --> 00:33:44,640 genuinely interesting and there is truth 787 00:33:50,029 --> 00:33:47,880 to it you know so why wouldn't they 788 00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:50,039 cover something like that you know if it 789 00:33:55,490 --> 00:33:52,620 gets that much interest it just makes no 790 00:33:57,649 --> 00:33:55,500 sense to me I don't know but thankfully 791 00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:57,659 we have brave people like uh Christopher 792 00:34:02,029 --> 00:34:00,240 melon and you know like Ryan Graves who 793 00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:02,039 actually like 794 00:34:08,089 --> 00:34:05,600 um you know still work on this 795 00:34:12,770 --> 00:34:08,099 regardless you know and that kind of 796 00:34:14,930 --> 00:34:12,780 brings me to I guess the next sure um 797 00:34:16,730 --> 00:34:14,940 pieces of news that were that were 798 00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:16,740 brought out 799 00:34:21,230 --> 00:34:18,480 well let me 800 00:34:25,930 --> 00:34:21,240 get this done the right away 801 00:34:33,169 --> 00:34:30,230 oh that's the examiner one uh let's see 802 00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:37,389 so 803 00:34:44,990 --> 00:34:42,960 it like 804 00:34:46,369 --> 00:34:45,000 there's quite a setup for Holman Jenkins 805 00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:46,379 right because these next two articles 806 00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:49,020 are kind of uh you know 807 00:34:54,530 --> 00:34:51,839 kind of an Fu towards Mr Jenkins right 808 00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:54,540 that they wrote this up but 809 00:34:58,849 --> 00:34:56,159 um Christopher melons I I really 810 00:35:01,070 --> 00:34:58,859 appreciate it it was interesting how he 811 00:35:02,930 --> 00:35:01,080 actually brings in the Wilson Davis 812 00:35:05,329 --> 00:35:02,940 notes a little bit and talks about how 813 00:35:08,690 --> 00:35:05,339 you brought in Eric Davis to brief folks 814 00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:08,700 on uh the material that may very well be 815 00:35:13,970 --> 00:35:10,400 extraterrestrial 816 00:35:15,890 --> 00:35:13,980 and you know and he said this once 817 00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:15,900 before that that kind of fits the facts 818 00:35:20,990 --> 00:35:18,660 the most which is very interesting but 819 00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:21,000 um you know he does a great job of 820 00:35:25,010 --> 00:35:23,280 outlining the reality of the situation 821 00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:25,020 how it you know this Jenkins guy and 822 00:35:28,970 --> 00:35:26,880 what he's doing just isn't fair based in 823 00:35:32,810 --> 00:35:28,980 reality but 824 00:35:35,630 --> 00:35:32,820 yep now yeah and maybe I'll pull out a 825 00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:35,640 couple lines um from Christopher melon's 826 00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:38,160 uh piece so that we can kind of address 827 00:35:43,550 --> 00:35:41,280 them directly yeah sorry sure so setting 828 00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,560 the record straight so uh intro here he 829 00:35:46,730 --> 00:35:45,359 says I'm writing I'm not going to do the 830 00:35:49,730 --> 00:35:46,740 voice it's better with the voice but I'm 831 00:35:51,470 --> 00:35:49,740 not going to do the voice uh I'm writing 832 00:35:54,290 --> 00:35:51,480 to correct the record after a series of 833 00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:54,300 misleading articles on the UAP issue by 834 00:35:57,950 --> 00:35:55,920 Holman Jenkins Jr of the Wall Street 835 00:36:01,069 --> 00:35:57,960 Journal specifically I want to correct 836 00:36:02,990 --> 00:36:01,079 Mr Jenkins assertion that quote the UFO 837 00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:03,000 commotion has largely been sustained by 838 00:36:07,609 --> 00:36:05,040 the U.S defense establishment 839 00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,619 unquote as well as his suggestion that 840 00:36:11,870 --> 00:36:09,599 interest in the UAP issue is the result 841 00:36:14,030 --> 00:36:11,880 of quote intelligence officials who 842 00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:14,040 think their job includes promoting false 843 00:36:18,349 --> 00:36:16,740 and tendentious information to the 844 00:36:21,710 --> 00:36:18,359 American public for their own purposes 845 00:36:24,050 --> 00:36:21,720 unquote his claim that DOD has recently 846 00:36:26,990 --> 00:36:24,060 found conventional explanations for most 847 00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:27,000 of the hundreds of UAP reported by U.S 848 00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,000 military personnel is also dubious 849 00:36:34,849 --> 00:36:32,400 he goes on to say first of all it is not 850 00:36:36,530 --> 00:36:34,859 clear to me what commotion Mr Jenkins is 851 00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:36,540 referring to since the American Pub 852 00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:39,540 press as of late been observing a near 853 00:36:44,210 --> 00:36:41,820 Total Blackout on coverage of the UAP 854 00:36:46,930 --> 00:36:44,220 issue for example last week President 855 00:36:49,609 --> 00:36:46,940 Biden signed into law unprecedented 856 00:36:52,430 --> 00:36:49,619 unprecedented legislation regarding UAP 857 00:36:54,530 --> 00:36:52,440 that could conceivably reveal proof of 858 00:36:57,050 --> 00:36:54,540 an extraterrestrial presence on Earth 859 00:36:59,810 --> 00:36:57,060 yet not a word of this incredible 860 00:37:02,150 --> 00:36:59,820 bipartisan effort has been reported by 861 00:37:05,089 --> 00:37:02,160 any of America's leading networks or 862 00:37:07,609 --> 00:37:05,099 newspapers so to begin with there is if 863 00:37:10,970 --> 00:37:07,619 anything a lack of UAP press coverage 864 00:37:13,550 --> 00:37:10,980 rather than a surplus of it right um 865 00:37:15,609 --> 00:37:13,560 right in fact the most UAP coverage is 866 00:37:19,370 --> 00:37:15,619 coming from Holman Jenkins 867 00:37:22,130 --> 00:37:19,380 and Julian Barnes right yeah and and so 868 00:37:24,109 --> 00:37:22,140 he goes on to say uh one of the things 869 00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:24,119 that most concerned me about recent 870 00:37:29,210 --> 00:37:26,160 press coverage of the UAP issue is that 871 00:37:32,930 --> 00:37:29,220 neither Mr Jenkins nor Mr Barnes nor Mr 872 00:37:35,569 --> 00:37:32,940 shostak of seti uh seem to have done any 873 00:37:38,690 --> 00:37:35,579 serious UAP research before publishing 874 00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,700 their bold claims in that regard I 875 00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,800 contacted a number of military personnel 876 00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:42,960 involved in the Nimitz incident and 877 00:37:48,050 --> 00:37:46,079 other prominent military UAP cases and 878 00:37:51,770 --> 00:37:48,060 learned that none had been interviewed 879 00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:51,780 by Mr Jenkins Mr Barnes or Mr shostak 880 00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:54,480 this is a glaring Omission since their 881 00:38:00,349 --> 00:37:57,119 testimony forms the basis for congress 882 00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,359 recent deep engagement on the issue also 883 00:38:04,490 --> 00:38:02,160 some of these cases are responsible for 884 00:38:07,069 --> 00:38:04,500 the perception that some UAP are not of 885 00:38:08,750 --> 00:38:07,079 human manufacture the failure to 886 00:38:11,329 --> 00:38:08,760 interview these important military 887 00:38:13,310 --> 00:38:11,339 Witnesses is also a major oversight 888 00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:13,320 because some of their accounts provide 889 00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,320 valid reasons to believe some UAP 890 00:38:21,650 --> 00:38:19,200 incidents involve technology that may 891 00:38:25,010 --> 00:38:21,660 not be of human origin 892 00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:25,020 he goes on there but you know and and by 893 00:38:31,130 --> 00:38:27,839 underlining cases in France Brazil Chile 894 00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:31,140 Russia uh all over the place right 895 00:38:37,069 --> 00:38:34,320 um he goes back to 1970 he goes he and 896 00:38:41,150 --> 00:38:37,079 then he does an exhaustive uh kind of 897 00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:41,160 blow by blow of 1917 through to through 898 00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:44,220 2022. and then at the end he says 899 00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:45,540 hopefully we can all at least 900 00:38:49,130 --> 00:38:47,280 acknowledge the vital importance of 901 00:38:52,670 --> 00:38:49,140 investigating the source of so many 902 00:38:54,829 --> 00:38:52,680 worrisome violations of U.S airspace in 903 00:38:56,930 --> 00:38:54,839 the meantime I urge reporters to do the 904 00:38:59,150 --> 00:38:56,940 serious homework that Jenkins Barnes and 905 00:39:02,150 --> 00:38:59,160 shostak have not which involves 906 00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:02,160 reviewing historic UAP documentation and 907 00:39:07,130 --> 00:39:04,560 research materials talking to Leading 908 00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,140 UAP researchers and above all 909 00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:09,359 interviewing the U.S military personnel 910 00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:11,359 who have encountered these vehicles 911 00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:13,200 climbing this mountain of UAP 912 00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:16,320 information is not difficult it just 913 00:39:20,510 --> 00:39:18,720 takes a bit of time and effort I hope a 914 00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:20,520 few serious journalists will make the 915 00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,320 effort because the view from the top is 916 00:39:27,470 --> 00:39:24,480 incredibly fascinating and the American 917 00:39:29,810 --> 00:39:27,480 people deserve informed analysis what do 918 00:39:31,790 --> 00:39:29,820 you think about that John uh I would I 919 00:39:34,750 --> 00:39:31,800 would agree with that especially having 920 00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:34,760 you know had to 921 00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:38,820 I had to learn all the historical cases 922 00:39:43,370 --> 00:39:41,280 and you know what this really looked 923 00:39:44,990 --> 00:39:43,380 like over the course of uh you know 70 924 00:39:46,670 --> 00:39:45,000 years which at first can be daunting 925 00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:46,680 this is 70 years where do you start 926 00:39:52,250 --> 00:39:49,200 right so that's why I went to the the 927 00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:52,260 blue book reports you know so I could 928 00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:54,480 get it in the government it's so hard to 929 00:39:59,930 --> 00:39:57,359 trust anything in the UFO world to be 930 00:40:02,690 --> 00:39:59,940 quite Frank you know because it is 931 00:40:05,329 --> 00:40:02,700 filled with there are some drones and 932 00:40:07,730 --> 00:40:05,339 there are some UAP and there are some 933 00:40:10,490 --> 00:40:07,740 people who just want to make money in 934 00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:10,500 there which is really difficult to begin 935 00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:12,000 with here which is kind of weird but 936 00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:13,440 there are some people that just want 937 00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:15,119 attention there are some people that 938 00:40:20,750 --> 00:40:18,000 just want drama there are all sorts of 939 00:40:22,609 --> 00:40:20,760 things happening in the UFO Community or 940 00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:22,619 sure I hate that term but you know the 941 00:40:28,910 --> 00:40:26,160 UFO world so how can you 942 00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:28,920 how can you do that well if you look at 943 00:40:33,890 --> 00:40:31,680 Blue Book cases like even if they didn't 944 00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:33,900 do their job and they were bad at it 945 00:40:40,430 --> 00:40:37,200 it's still in their words so if you can 946 00:40:43,010 --> 00:40:40,440 find any you know semblance of Truth 947 00:40:45,770 --> 00:40:43,020 it's gonna be from the government's own 948 00:40:48,530 --> 00:40:45,780 words who investigated this and even 949 00:40:51,250 --> 00:40:48,540 though they discounted so many sightings 950 00:40:55,370 --> 00:40:51,260 there are so many 951 00:40:58,250 --> 00:40:55,380 pilot encounters where there's radar and 952 00:41:00,589 --> 00:40:58,260 visual sightings that are chalked up to 953 00:41:04,089 --> 00:41:00,599 anomalous propagation in a visual 954 00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,099 sighting of Venus completely 955 00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,720 completely disrespecting these Pilots 956 00:41:10,490 --> 00:41:08,400 you know and we're not talking about 957 00:41:13,010 --> 00:41:10,500 first-time Flyers either man we're 958 00:41:14,450 --> 00:41:13,020 talking about all sorts of David fravers 959 00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:14,460 we're talking about reports written up 960 00:41:18,530 --> 00:41:16,740 by sometimes four star generals right 961 00:41:21,710 --> 00:41:18,540 like 962 00:41:23,870 --> 00:41:21,720 and you look at what happens you just 963 00:41:27,050 --> 00:41:23,880 look at what happens what the testimony 964 00:41:28,849 --> 00:41:27,060 was and what happened which is recorded 965 00:41:31,370 --> 00:41:28,859 accurately 966 00:41:33,890 --> 00:41:31,380 I should I should say well seemingly 967 00:41:36,250 --> 00:41:33,900 from the U.S Air Force what's 968 00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:36,260 happens after that 969 00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:38,880 the what does this mean what are the 970 00:41:45,710 --> 00:41:42,720 implications what could this be is a 971 00:41:48,589 --> 00:41:45,720 completely a dropped ball you know but 972 00:41:51,230 --> 00:41:48,599 from reading the testimony in the 973 00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:51,240 documents you clearly find out that this 974 00:41:56,810 --> 00:41:53,040 is a very real thing that's been 975 00:41:58,569 --> 00:41:56,820 happening for a very long time that the 976 00:42:01,609 --> 00:41:58,579 government has 977 00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:01,619 continuously not been transparent to the 978 00:42:10,670 --> 00:42:05,040 American people on the situation at all 979 00:42:13,310 --> 00:42:10,680 you know and they kept the whole time 980 00:42:16,010 --> 00:42:13,320 you know that no one wanted to deal with 981 00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:16,020 it because they don't know how to you 982 00:42:20,329 --> 00:42:17,520 know right 983 00:42:22,370 --> 00:42:20,339 well and I think that yeah and I think 984 00:42:25,010 --> 00:42:22,380 you know there are 985 00:42:26,930 --> 00:42:25,020 it's it seems like that there are some 986 00:42:28,490 --> 00:42:26,940 reporters that are that have like some 987 00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:28,500 personal investment in the game and then 988 00:42:32,810 --> 00:42:30,660 there's everybody else and I think part 989 00:42:36,589 --> 00:42:32,820 of it and I think and I think part of it 990 00:42:38,329 --> 00:42:36,599 is leftover stigma I think part of it is 991 00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,339 people trying to read the tea leaves 992 00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:40,560 where it's like even if 993 00:42:48,650 --> 00:42:44,720 even if they're not directly influenced 994 00:42:50,990 --> 00:42:48,660 by you know like Pentagon attaches or or 995 00:42:53,089 --> 00:42:51,000 go-betweens or whatever or any of this 996 00:42:55,730 --> 00:42:53,099 kind of like possible leftover project 997 00:42:58,250 --> 00:42:55,740 Mockingbird stuff you know that there's 998 00:43:00,410 --> 00:42:58,260 also the idea that a lot of people 999 00:43:03,410 --> 00:43:00,420 writing for media organizations these 1000 00:43:05,870 --> 00:43:03,420 days are like wildly underpaid super 1001 00:43:07,550 --> 00:43:05,880 stressed out just trying to make ends 1002 00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,560 meet and then they're trying to figure 1003 00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:09,359 out like what's acceptable or not 1004 00:43:14,930 --> 00:43:12,480 because you know they're like and and 1005 00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:14,940 that's another thing to to bring into 1006 00:43:18,290 --> 00:43:16,800 this is that you know when when we're 1007 00:43:19,609 --> 00:43:18,300 talking about the media and stuff like 1008 00:43:23,210 --> 00:43:19,619 that you're dealing a lot of the time 1009 00:43:25,309 --> 00:43:23,220 with like writers and producers that are 1010 00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,319 just you know that are that are 1011 00:43:29,630 --> 00:43:27,359 providing material that they're being 1012 00:43:32,329 --> 00:43:29,640 led to do in a lot of ways by hires up 1013 00:43:33,890 --> 00:43:32,339 you know higher higher up people editors 1014 00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:33,900 and stuff like this or you know they're 1015 00:43:37,609 --> 00:43:36,000 doing their own thing and then they 1016 00:43:39,650 --> 00:43:37,619 realize that they're getting that 1017 00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:39,660 they're getting um rejected you know 1018 00:43:42,589 --> 00:43:41,040 their articles are getting rejected 1019 00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,599 because it's not the tone that people 1020 00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:44,400 want it's not the story that somebody 1021 00:43:48,589 --> 00:43:46,560 wants months it's not the topic that 1022 00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,599 somebody wants and so you know there's 1023 00:43:52,670 --> 00:43:50,640 the there's also this portion where it's 1024 00:43:55,609 --> 00:43:52,680 like okay you're talking about somebody 1025 00:43:58,130 --> 00:43:55,619 a writer that might make forty thousand 1026 00:44:00,589 --> 00:43:58,140 dollars a year you know what I mean or 1027 00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,599 whatever New York City yeah right you 1028 00:44:04,609 --> 00:44:02,640 know and then or fifty thousand dollars 1029 00:44:06,170 --> 00:44:04,619 in New York City where which is you know 1030 00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:06,180 the most expensive city in the country 1031 00:44:12,349 --> 00:44:10,079 right now and um and then they have to 1032 00:44:14,210 --> 00:44:12,359 sit there and they have to justify they 1033 00:44:16,430 --> 00:44:14,220 have to justify their career on a daily 1034 00:44:18,050 --> 00:44:16,440 or weekly basis right yeah and what are 1035 00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:18,060 you gonna do like try to write a story 1036 00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:21,119 about UFOs or you know 1037 00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:24,000 um the latest thing that you know some 1038 00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:26,940 politician said that was salacious you 1039 00:44:30,589 --> 00:44:29,040 know yeah or whatever Elon Musk is doing 1040 00:44:32,930 --> 00:44:30,599 that day or whatever the heck you know 1041 00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:32,940 right any of these things right exactly 1042 00:44:39,470 --> 00:44:36,000 and so you know I get I get it to a 1043 00:44:41,809 --> 00:44:39,480 degree why there aren't more people 1044 00:44:43,370 --> 00:44:41,819 tackling the issue however at the same 1045 00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:43,380 time you know 1046 00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:45,240 you and I and folks in the chat and the 1047 00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:46,319 people watching this in the future 1048 00:44:52,250 --> 00:44:48,720 certainly will know that that whoever 1049 00:44:53,630 --> 00:44:52,260 tackles this job well is going to be on 1050 00:44:56,270 --> 00:44:53,640 the right side of history and they're 1051 00:44:59,450 --> 00:44:56,280 going to be covering the biggest one of 1052 00:45:01,490 --> 00:44:59,460 the biggest stories to ever happen 1053 00:45:03,650 --> 00:45:01,500 um which is you know the life 1054 00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:03,660 intelligent life beyond our species 1055 00:45:08,750 --> 00:45:06,240 right and this is the way that happens 1056 00:45:10,849 --> 00:45:08,760 right this goes beyond 1057 00:45:14,930 --> 00:45:10,859 um the media too though right like this 1058 00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:14,940 is kind of how avilo describes 1059 00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,560 scientists these days too right like 1060 00:45:22,730 --> 00:45:21,119 they're trying to make a living too are 1061 00:45:24,530 --> 00:45:22,740 they going to go out and try to research 1062 00:45:27,530 --> 00:45:24,540 the phenomenon get funding for that or 1063 00:45:30,770 --> 00:45:27,540 are they going to try to you know 1064 00:45:33,770 --> 00:45:30,780 um create the next stint that works 1065 00:45:36,050 --> 00:45:33,780 better than the last one you know or 1066 00:45:38,569 --> 00:45:36,060 there's 1067 00:45:40,670 --> 00:45:38,579 but like at some point we have to take 1068 00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:40,680 risks right we can't just absolutely 1069 00:45:46,970 --> 00:45:43,920 keep absolutely can't just keep 1070 00:45:49,010 --> 00:45:46,980 accepting the status quo 1071 00:45:51,050 --> 00:45:49,020 because it's comfortable right when does 1072 00:45:52,490 --> 00:45:51,060 growth ever come from Comfort never 1073 00:45:54,770 --> 00:45:52,500 right 1074 00:45:56,930 --> 00:45:54,780 you have to step out there and take a 1075 00:46:00,170 --> 00:45:56,940 risk like this is a risk for me this is 1076 00:46:02,210 --> 00:46:00,180 a risk for you like I'm lucky enough to 1077 00:46:06,829 --> 00:46:02,220 have a very small 1078 00:46:10,370 --> 00:46:06,839 company where I can you know pay for uh 1079 00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:10,380 an old used car in a cheap house you 1080 00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:12,480 know but 1081 00:46:16,970 --> 00:46:15,060 that this company is not like super 1082 00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:16,980 successful to where it's like oh I'm 1083 00:46:21,650 --> 00:46:18,960 good you know whatever like I'm barely 1084 00:46:23,809 --> 00:46:21,660 making ends meet with it and at any day 1085 00:46:25,970 --> 00:46:23,819 it could probably just be like oh that's 1086 00:46:28,670 --> 00:46:25,980 not working anymore now I have to go get 1087 00:46:30,770 --> 00:46:28,680 a job you know what people do when they 1088 00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:30,780 hire people they look them up and what 1089 00:46:34,010 --> 00:46:31,920 are they going to find they're going to 1090 00:46:36,410 --> 00:46:34,020 find all this stuff right are they gonna 1091 00:46:38,569 --> 00:46:36,420 you know there's still stigma out there 1092 00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:38,579 right like this is a risk for everybody 1093 00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:41,040 but I'm doing it anyways because I 1094 00:46:48,130 --> 00:46:42,900 believe in it and because I've had my 1095 00:46:50,329 --> 00:46:48,140 own experience 100 100 and I don't mind 1096 00:46:53,630 --> 00:46:50,339 sitting down 1097 00:46:56,030 --> 00:46:53,640 you know while you know Congress and the 1098 00:46:58,490 --> 00:46:56,040 military talk about the physical objects 1099 00:47:00,530 --> 00:46:58,500 that these Pilots are seeing and dealing 1100 00:47:03,710 --> 00:47:00,540 with it that way in their secured areas 1101 00:47:05,930 --> 00:47:03,720 fine do that if you have to you know 1102 00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:05,940 right ignore all the people like me and 1103 00:47:11,809 --> 00:47:08,480 you that have had it really emotionally 1104 00:47:13,790 --> 00:47:11,819 rocking experiences if you have to do 1105 00:47:15,770 --> 00:47:13,800 that but now they're not even doing that 1106 00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:15,780 you know they're just ignoring it 1107 00:47:23,870 --> 00:47:20,160 completely which is like if you don't 1108 00:47:27,230 --> 00:47:23,880 yeah so you know I 1109 00:47:31,069 --> 00:47:27,240 what what do you what's the point 1110 00:47:32,930 --> 00:47:31,079 you know like if you can't take risks in 1111 00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:32,940 life if you can't go after something 1112 00:47:36,530 --> 00:47:35,520 bigger than yourself then like what are 1113 00:47:39,530 --> 00:47:36,540 you doing 1114 00:47:42,410 --> 00:47:39,540 well yeah and and along those lines it's 1115 00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:42,420 like you know what you know why did 1116 00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:45,359 people get into uh investigative 1117 00:47:52,550 --> 00:47:48,240 journalism in the first place if not to 1118 00:47:55,010 --> 00:47:52,560 if not to break huge stories right and 1119 00:47:56,750 --> 00:47:55,020 and how do you break huge stories by 1120 00:47:59,150 --> 00:47:56,760 going against the grain a little bit 1121 00:48:01,370 --> 00:47:59,160 sometimes you know what I mean do do you 1122 00:48:04,010 --> 00:48:01,380 want to be yet another person you know 1123 00:48:06,349 --> 00:48:04,020 covering you know covid or congress in 1124 00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,359 the exact same way as everybody else or 1125 00:48:11,690 --> 00:48:08,160 do you want to break break into some new 1126 00:48:13,069 --> 00:48:11,700 terrain right yeah and and uh you know 1127 00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:13,079 there's a lot of people that don't want 1128 00:48:19,370 --> 00:48:16,800 to do that and and um it's unfortunate 1129 00:48:20,569 --> 00:48:19,380 but you know then then then there are 1130 00:48:23,690 --> 00:48:20,579 the independence Then There Are People 1131 00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,700 Like Us and you know then and 1132 00:48:27,530 --> 00:48:25,920 you know we'll do the best we can you 1133 00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:27,540 know and it takes it does take I mean 1134 00:48:31,010 --> 00:48:29,520 one thing that I do understand and one 1135 00:48:32,450 --> 00:48:31,020 thing that you know melon was bringing 1136 00:48:35,150 --> 00:48:32,460 up in that article that we just covered 1137 00:48:37,370 --> 00:48:35,160 is that you know it doesn't take 1138 00:48:39,550 --> 00:48:37,380 very long for you to know that there's a 1139 00:48:42,770 --> 00:48:39,560 there right 1140 00:48:45,650 --> 00:48:42,780 and then at the same time you know once 1141 00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:45,660 you go into once you've get into 1142 00:48:51,290 --> 00:48:48,480 studying this stuff you know it's vast 1143 00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:51,300 it goes on forever and like you know I'm 1144 00:48:55,609 --> 00:48:54,000 one of my New Year's resolutions is to 1145 00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,619 do more reading this year than I did 1146 00:49:00,730 --> 00:48:57,599 last year and you know what I mean and 1147 00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:00,740 like 90 of my reading is somehow 1148 00:49:05,329 --> 00:49:03,599 tangentially you know refers back to 1149 00:49:08,690 --> 00:49:05,339 this field in one way shape or form or 1150 00:49:11,870 --> 00:49:08,700 another sure right yeah and and um and 1151 00:49:15,230 --> 00:49:11,880 and I uh and that you know maybe that'll 1152 00:49:16,849 --> 00:49:15,240 be part of my 2024 resolution to myself 1153 00:49:19,130 --> 00:49:16,859 you know what I mean that I need to get 1154 00:49:21,290 --> 00:49:19,140 back to some Don delillo or whatever but 1155 00:49:23,690 --> 00:49:21,300 like uh but you know for the time being 1156 00:49:25,609 --> 00:49:23,700 you know we've got like Kelly Chase's 1157 00:49:28,430 --> 00:49:25,619 UFO Rabbit Hole I'm reading this week 1158 00:49:30,530 --> 00:49:28,440 and Forbidden Science 2 by Jacques filet 1159 00:49:33,290 --> 00:49:30,540 right and Joshua kutchen thieves in the 1160 00:49:35,870 --> 00:49:33,300 night on on the history of supernatural 1161 00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:35,880 child abductions you know like you know 1162 00:49:39,230 --> 00:49:37,680 you can start with the blue book files 1163 00:49:40,970 --> 00:49:39,240 like you're talking about and then it 1164 00:49:43,250 --> 00:49:40,980 just goes and goes and goes because 1165 00:49:45,770 --> 00:49:43,260 that's your there there and then 1166 00:49:49,309 --> 00:49:45,780 you'll find it that there's something to 1167 00:49:51,470 --> 00:49:49,319 this at that point and where it goes 1168 00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:51,480 from there is like how you describe it's 1169 00:49:58,190 --> 00:49:55,920 so fast and can be a very daunting to be 1170 00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:58,200 quite Frank because there still is no 1171 00:50:02,270 --> 00:50:00,000 even though there's all this literature 1172 00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:02,280 on it there is still no 1173 00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,760 you know there's no physical object that 1174 00:50:09,710 --> 00:50:07,680 you can hold in your hand to prove that 1175 00:50:12,589 --> 00:50:09,720 whatever Theory or whatever idea you're 1176 00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,599 thinking of is the right one you know so 1177 00:50:16,130 --> 00:50:14,640 it's daunting because you're like spend 1178 00:50:19,609 --> 00:50:16,140 all this time looking at all this stuff 1179 00:50:21,470 --> 00:50:19,619 and like what am I even gonna learn as 1180 00:50:25,970 --> 00:50:21,480 Truth at the end of the day you know 1181 00:50:28,910 --> 00:50:25,980 it's it's it's really uh complicated so 1182 00:50:32,510 --> 00:50:28,920 but there is once you learn there's a 1183 00:50:35,690 --> 00:50:32,520 there there you know like it's worth 1184 00:50:39,470 --> 00:50:35,700 fighting for it's it's worth searching 1185 00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:39,480 out it's absolutely trying to find truth 1186 00:50:44,750 --> 00:50:41,760 absolutely it's 1187 00:50:48,589 --> 00:50:44,760 not it's not easy but the first step is 1188 00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,599 yeah to to put in just a right amount of 1189 00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:50,640 work to know that people and experience 1190 00:50:56,510 --> 00:50:52,800 people and professional people have been 1191 00:50:59,630 --> 00:50:56,520 going through this for at least 1192 00:51:02,150 --> 00:50:59,640 seven years which I think has probably 1193 00:51:03,230 --> 00:51:02,160 been since we existed here to be honest 1194 00:51:05,450 --> 00:51:03,240 but 1195 00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:05,460 you know as as far as people can be 1196 00:51:09,230 --> 00:51:07,680 comfortable with that's documented you 1197 00:51:11,450 --> 00:51:09,240 can say 70 years 1198 00:51:14,809 --> 00:51:11,460 you know documented by the government at 1199 00:51:16,849 --> 00:51:14,819 least so and where you go from there is 1200 00:51:19,970 --> 00:51:16,859 is whatever but 1201 00:51:23,150 --> 00:51:19,980 you know yeah so and it's frustrating to 1202 00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:23,160 people like Ryan Graves yeah there we go 1203 00:51:28,370 --> 00:51:26,400 yeah and and this is this is another 1204 00:51:30,730 --> 00:51:28,380 article that just came out 1205 00:51:34,130 --> 00:51:30,740 um it was published on on New Year's Eve 1206 00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:34,140 uh I think Ryan I don't want to misspeak 1207 00:51:40,250 --> 00:51:36,960 for Ryan but I believe that Ryan 1208 00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:40,260 first looked to get this published in 1209 00:51:45,770 --> 00:51:42,960 the Wall Street Journal before yeah as a 1210 00:51:49,250 --> 00:51:45,780 response to to Holman Jenkins article 1211 00:51:50,809 --> 00:51:49,260 before getting published in the debrief 1212 00:51:51,710 --> 00:51:50,819 um and 1213 00:51:54,530 --> 00:51:51,720 and 1214 00:51:57,170 --> 00:51:54,540 um it's funny because like I actually I 1215 00:51:58,609 --> 00:51:57,180 um I had dinner with Micah Hanks a 1216 00:52:02,510 --> 00:51:58,619 couple weeks ago 1217 00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:02,520 um me and James did actually and um and 1218 00:52:06,650 --> 00:52:03,359 uh 1219 00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:06,660 and um and he was talking one of the 1220 00:52:10,730 --> 00:52:08,160 things that he was talking about is 1221 00:52:13,790 --> 00:52:10,740 hemming and hawing about whether they 1222 00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,800 like like how much op-ed stuff they 1223 00:52:17,329 --> 00:52:15,599 should be doing on the debrief and then 1224 00:52:19,549 --> 00:52:17,339 he turns around and like five days later 1225 00:52:21,170 --> 00:52:19,559 he's got this great op-ed from from Ryan 1226 00:52:22,609 --> 00:52:21,180 grave so I was really happy to see that 1227 00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:22,619 and so 1228 00:52:25,690 --> 00:52:24,480 shout out to Michael Hanks for doing the 1229 00:52:28,250 --> 00:52:25,700 right thing 1230 00:52:30,109 --> 00:52:28,260 he needs an outlet he's been through 1231 00:52:32,690 --> 00:52:30,119 this experience he's working his butt 1232 00:52:34,730 --> 00:52:32,700 off to try to do something about it and 1233 00:52:36,829 --> 00:52:34,740 you know puts a lot of thought and it's 1234 00:52:39,770 --> 00:52:36,839 really well written 1235 00:52:42,890 --> 00:52:39,780 um and Wall Street Journal just craps on 1236 00:52:45,049 --> 00:52:42,900 the whole topic and doesn't even get the 1237 00:52:48,829 --> 00:52:45,059 person who put his life on the line for 1238 00:52:51,290 --> 00:52:48,839 our country the opportunity to respond 1239 00:52:54,650 --> 00:52:51,300 that's right this person is going out 1240 00:52:58,849 --> 00:52:54,660 and saying I will die for you right 1241 00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:58,859 I will die for you yeah and in return 1242 00:53:03,710 --> 00:53:01,200 they they won't you know post a little 1243 00:53:06,650 --> 00:53:03,720 article about him just uh giving a 1244 00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:06,660 rebuttal to somebody that did not say 1245 00:53:12,290 --> 00:53:09,839 you would die for them yeah 1246 00:53:14,750 --> 00:53:12,300 and that's just so disrespectful to me 1247 00:53:17,450 --> 00:53:14,760 and and disgusting so thankfully there's 1248 00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:17,460 something like debrief who you know I 1249 00:53:22,910 --> 00:53:19,920 was able to put this on their side 1250 00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:22,920 absolutely absolutely and you know these 1251 00:53:30,370 --> 00:53:26,880 and this unfortunately or unfortunately 1252 00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:30,380 this is going to be part of this story 1253 00:53:34,490 --> 00:53:32,880 in the future you know what I mean we'll 1254 00:53:37,490 --> 00:53:34,500 be able to refer back to this period of 1255 00:53:39,530 --> 00:53:37,500 time where we had where people had to go 1256 00:53:42,290 --> 00:53:39,540 to outlets like the debrief like Ralph 1257 00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:42,300 did with his experiencers article 1258 00:53:46,609 --> 00:53:44,640 um you know about 14 months back where 1259 00:53:50,329 --> 00:53:46,619 Ryan Graves had to go with this where 1260 00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:50,339 Leslie published an op-ed uh uh earlier 1261 00:53:55,250 --> 00:53:53,040 last year that uh that didn't get 1262 00:53:57,290 --> 00:53:55,260 published by the times as well and it's 1263 00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:57,300 you know it's a it's a it's a bummer 1264 00:54:01,250 --> 00:53:59,040 when you see that happen and at the same 1265 00:54:03,950 --> 00:54:01,260 time later you can point back to this 1266 00:54:05,569 --> 00:54:03,960 day you can point back to Chris millin 1267 00:54:07,730 --> 00:54:05,579 publishing this stuff on his own blog 1268 00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:07,740 you can point out Ryan Graves doing this 1269 00:54:13,309 --> 00:54:11,040 and say you know like No in fact the 1270 00:54:15,410 --> 00:54:13,319 stigma was not gone yet you know it's 1271 00:54:17,930 --> 00:54:15,420 still here and we're still in there's 1272 00:54:21,290 --> 00:54:17,940 still plenty of reason to push 1273 00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:21,300 um yeah so should I um should I read a 1274 00:54:24,430 --> 00:54:23,040 little bit from from the graves and we 1275 00:54:27,290 --> 00:54:24,440 can kind of get into that a little bit 1276 00:54:29,450 --> 00:54:27,300 yeah sure yeah we can do a little bit 1277 00:54:30,109 --> 00:54:29,460 from then okay 1278 00:54:32,750 --> 00:54:30,119 um 1279 00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:32,760 and here Ryan is picking up right where 1280 00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:35,280 we're leaving off a major barrier to our 1281 00:54:40,910 --> 00:54:37,920 understanding of unidentified anomalous 1282 00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:40,920 phenomena is not just government secrecy 1283 00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:43,920 it's stigma conspiracy theories like 1284 00:54:47,930 --> 00:54:46,079 those perpetuated by Holman Jenkins in 1285 00:54:51,049 --> 00:54:47,940 his recent Wall Street Journal columns 1286 00:54:54,349 --> 00:54:51,059 under titles like UFO mystery shouldn't 1287 00:54:56,750 --> 00:54:54,359 drag on the UFO bubble goes pop and most 1288 00:55:00,049 --> 00:54:56,760 recently and perhaps is most unhinged 1289 00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,059 the UFO crowd once an alien invasion for 1290 00:55:04,790 --> 00:55:02,640 Christmas only help breed the stigma 1291 00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:04,800 that hinders the very kind of scientific 1292 00:55:10,609 --> 00:55:07,440 approaches he agrees are needed to 1293 00:55:12,109 --> 00:55:10,619 resolve the UAP mystery Jenkins offers 1294 00:55:14,690 --> 00:55:12,119 the idea that maybe a secret military 1295 00:55:16,790 --> 00:55:14,700 laser program is being tested on active 1296 00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:16,800 duty pilots in mid-flight deceiving them 1297 00:55:22,010 --> 00:55:19,200 and their infrared and radar sensors 1298 00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:22,020 into observing UAP by creating plasma 1299 00:55:27,530 --> 00:55:24,720 bubbles in the air Jenkins also says the 1300 00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:27,540 dod may know exactly what they are when 1301 00:55:31,849 --> 00:55:29,640 the Department's own UAP report to 1302 00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:31,859 Congress says they do not 1303 00:55:35,870 --> 00:55:33,839 he has even gone so far as to say that 1304 00:55:37,730 --> 00:55:35,880 recent momentum on this issue is due to 1305 00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:37,740 intelligence officials who think their 1306 00:55:41,390 --> 00:55:39,359 job includes promoting false and 1307 00:55:44,030 --> 00:55:41,400 indentious information to the American 1308 00:55:47,210 --> 00:55:44,040 people for their own purposes 1309 00:55:49,309 --> 00:55:47,220 um as Chris Millen pointed out and 1310 00:55:50,990 --> 00:55:49,319 um and uh Graves goes on to say I know 1311 00:55:52,430 --> 00:55:51,000 firsthand the fear of the stigma is a 1312 00:55:54,049 --> 00:55:52,440 major issue because I was the first 1313 00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:54,059 active duty pilot to come forward 1314 00:56:00,290 --> 00:55:56,880 publicly about regular sightings of UAP 1315 00:56:02,150 --> 00:56:00,300 and it was not easy I've seen mysterious 1316 00:56:03,770 --> 00:56:02,160 Targets on radar myself and have spoken 1317 00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:03,780 with pilots who have experienced near 1318 00:56:08,990 --> 00:56:06,480 misses with mysterious objects off the 1319 00:56:11,630 --> 00:56:09,000 Eastern Seaboard which prompted unsafe 1320 00:56:13,849 --> 00:56:11,640 evasive actions and mandatory safety 1321 00:56:17,809 --> 00:56:13,859 reports I spoke out about these 1322 00:56:19,849 --> 00:56:17,819 incidents publicly in 2019 at Great risk 1323 00:56:21,890 --> 00:56:19,859 both to me personally and to my 1324 00:56:22,970 --> 00:56:21,900 profession because nothing was being 1325 00:56:26,089 --> 00:56:22,980 done 1326 00:56:28,730 --> 00:56:26,099 and he and he goes on to make a bunch of 1327 00:56:32,329 --> 00:56:28,740 great points uh here 1328 00:56:34,430 --> 00:56:32,339 um yeah and um and again he he followed 1329 00:56:36,109 --> 00:56:34,440 at the very end he says most of all we 1330 00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:36,119 should not contribute to the stigma that 1331 00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:38,400 is historically impeded scientific UAP 1332 00:56:42,770 --> 00:56:40,559 research and hindered efforts to obtain 1333 00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:42,780 funding for it let's stop with the 1334 00:56:47,450 --> 00:56:45,359 speculation set aside the stigma and 1335 00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:47,460 make the investment in science to get 1336 00:56:52,010 --> 00:56:49,440 the data required to answer these 1337 00:56:53,329 --> 00:56:52,020 critical questions and I couldn't I 1338 00:56:56,210 --> 00:56:53,339 couldn't agree with him more what do you 1339 00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:56,220 think Sean yeah yeah you know and it 1340 00:57:01,250 --> 00:56:59,040 makes me what what it makes me think of 1341 00:57:03,710 --> 00:57:01,260 is 1342 00:57:06,410 --> 00:57:03,720 the only people that are having a hard 1343 00:57:08,809 --> 00:57:06,420 time separating the word aliens in UAP 1344 00:57:11,150 --> 00:57:08,819 are people like Holman Jenkins 1345 00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:11,160 right and Julian Barnes nobody else is 1346 00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:12,960 really having like you know there's a 1347 00:57:17,690 --> 00:57:15,119 lot of different types of people but you 1348 00:57:19,309 --> 00:57:17,700 know like I'm I'm invested in this and I 1349 00:57:21,230 --> 00:57:19,319 have no problem leaving the word an 1350 00:57:23,210 --> 00:57:21,240 alien out there and just going for the 1351 00:57:25,849 --> 00:57:23,220 truth whatever that may be and I think 1352 00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:25,859 there's various different truths some 1353 00:57:31,730 --> 00:57:28,319 probably are laser bubble plasmas 1354 00:57:35,170 --> 00:57:31,740 because that does exist but there's also 1355 00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:35,180 Chinese drones there's also genuine 1356 00:57:40,190 --> 00:57:38,160 unexplainable UAP 1357 00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:40,200 you know and that's what everybody's 1358 00:57:43,609 --> 00:57:41,280 here for 1359 00:57:45,770 --> 00:57:43,619 is for that like what is it explain it 1360 00:57:48,109 --> 00:57:45,780 to me tell me as much as you can about 1361 00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:48,119 it now is it unrealistic to expect that 1362 00:57:52,370 --> 00:57:49,680 from the government I guess they're 1363 00:57:54,829 --> 00:57:52,380 proving us you know to us that yeah it 1364 00:57:56,990 --> 00:57:54,839 is unrealistic and even from the media 1365 00:57:58,690 --> 00:57:57,000 at this point but 1366 00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:58,700 you know they're totally Mis 1367 00:58:03,230 --> 00:58:00,960 mischaracterizing the whole thing you 1368 00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:03,240 know like is Holman Jenkins and Barnes 1369 00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:05,359 like 1370 00:58:09,470 --> 00:58:07,440 they're they're not 1371 00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:09,480 you know that's 1372 00:58:14,030 --> 00:58:12,000 and there's so many there's so many 1373 00:58:16,609 --> 00:58:14,040 different people involved that are 1374 00:58:18,829 --> 00:58:16,619 interested in UAP like from people like 1375 00:58:22,370 --> 00:58:18,839 Pilots like Mr Graves 1376 00:58:26,750 --> 00:58:22,380 uh who's there or Dr Loeb who are just 1377 00:58:29,329 --> 00:58:26,760 hardcore into the science and where did 1378 00:58:31,970 --> 00:58:29,339 the facts lead us you know right but 1379 00:58:33,890 --> 00:58:31,980 they're still genuinely interested in 1380 00:58:36,410 --> 00:58:33,900 the mystery because that's what it is 1381 00:58:38,930 --> 00:58:36,420 it's a genuine mystery and then there's 1382 00:58:41,150 --> 00:58:38,940 also people that you know are convinced 1383 00:58:44,089 --> 00:58:41,160 they're extraterrestrials or whatever 1384 00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:44,099 but like you have to be able to put all 1385 00:58:48,650 --> 00:58:46,799 that aside and find your reason for 1386 00:58:49,730 --> 00:58:48,660 moving forward you know whatever that 1387 00:58:51,770 --> 00:58:49,740 may be 1388 00:58:54,170 --> 00:58:51,780 you know and in Holmen Jenkins case 1389 00:58:55,490 --> 00:58:54,180 Julian Burns that should be journalistic 1390 00:58:58,970 --> 00:58:55,500 integrity 1391 00:59:00,049 --> 00:58:58,980 you know that's right but 1392 00:59:03,530 --> 00:59:00,059 um 1393 00:59:06,289 --> 00:59:03,540 yeah so I don't know I feel bad for 1394 00:59:08,690 --> 00:59:06,299 Graves like he is not alone there's so 1395 00:59:10,970 --> 00:59:08,700 many people that have gone through the 1396 00:59:12,589 --> 00:59:10,980 same thing he has that didn't come out 1397 00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:12,599 publicly or did 1398 00:59:18,049 --> 00:59:15,839 and and if probably had a tumultuous 1399 00:59:18,890 --> 00:59:18,059 life like I did this 1400 00:59:20,750 --> 00:59:18,900 um 1401 00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:20,760 this uh 1402 00:59:27,410 --> 00:59:24,480 Short episode called uh UAP on a 1403 00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:27,420 collision course I I give a few examples 1404 00:59:33,789 --> 00:59:30,000 it's good a few examples in in that one 1405 00:59:36,890 --> 00:59:33,799 but one guy it reminds me of this exact 1406 00:59:38,329 --> 00:59:36,900 freaking situation I kid you not 1407 00:59:40,190 --> 00:59:38,339 uh 1408 00:59:42,190 --> 00:59:40,200 except I think this guy was a commercial 1409 00:59:45,470 --> 00:59:42,200 pilot I forget but 1410 00:59:48,530 --> 00:59:45,480 he his sighting winds up going like in 1411 00:59:50,690 --> 00:59:48,540 the paper or something right and then uh 1412 00:59:53,329 --> 00:59:50,700 friend Colonel friend or whatever that 1413 00:59:55,789 --> 00:59:53,339 the head of blue book comes out to the 1414 00:59:59,690 --> 00:59:55,799 newspaper and tells everybody that he 1415 01:00:02,450 --> 00:59:59,700 just saw a Celestial body right and this 1416 01:00:05,569 --> 01:00:02,460 guy comes out and he has to write his 1417 01:00:07,549 --> 01:00:05,579 rebuttal to a UFO organization dude it's 1418 01:00:09,890 --> 01:00:07,559 like the same freaking thing that's 1419 01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:09,900 happening now he it's not in the times 1420 01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:12,960 it's not in the newspapers that reported 1421 01:00:17,690 --> 01:00:15,119 what the Air Force said it came from 1422 01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:17,700 this UFO organization that he had to 1423 01:00:21,049 --> 01:00:19,680 write his rebuttal to and it was 1424 01:00:24,829 --> 01:00:21,059 scathing 1425 01:00:27,589 --> 01:00:24,839 yeah you know and he went on to win a 1426 01:00:31,370 --> 01:00:27,599 master pilot award from the FAA for 50 1427 01:00:32,510 --> 01:00:31,380 years of safe flying after that yeah you 1428 01:00:36,530 --> 01:00:32,520 know 1429 01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:36,540 I mean like yeah it's wild and I mean 1430 01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:38,880 and also 1431 01:00:43,370 --> 01:00:40,640 you know this is an exceptional 1432 01:00:44,990 --> 01:00:43,380 exceptional case but you know I as I was 1433 01:00:46,250 --> 01:00:45,000 saying I've been reading Forbidden 1434 01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:46,260 Science too 1435 01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:48,240 um which is the journal it's Jacques 1436 01:00:51,890 --> 01:00:50,400 filet has published his his essentially 1437 01:00:53,089 --> 01:00:51,900 his Diaries 1438 01:00:56,990 --> 01:00:53,099 um over and over and over again and 1439 01:00:59,390 --> 01:00:57,000 volume two covers the 70s from 1970 to 1440 01:01:02,390 --> 01:00:59,400 79 and so right now like I'm reading 1441 01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:02,400 about him at like 32 years old right and 1442 01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:04,799 he's he's already got like a wild career 1443 01:01:10,670 --> 01:01:08,640 he's already been like helping build one 1444 01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:10,680 of the most advanced super computers in 1445 01:01:15,470 --> 01:01:12,240 existence at that time at Stanford 1446 01:01:17,809 --> 01:01:15,480 University and he's also you know 1447 01:01:20,510 --> 01:01:17,819 totally and you know he's known for 1448 01:01:21,710 --> 01:01:20,520 having investigated the UFO issue at 1449 01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:21,720 that time 1450 01:01:26,030 --> 01:01:24,000 um he he is known to have worked with 1451 01:01:28,130 --> 01:01:26,040 Alan heineck people are asking him all 1452 01:01:30,170 --> 01:01:28,140 the time about Alan heineck 1453 01:01:32,930 --> 01:01:30,180 um people and he was he's already 1454 01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:32,940 published you know some of his some of 1455 01:01:37,309 --> 01:01:34,799 his formative Works passports of 1456 01:01:38,809 --> 01:01:37,319 Mongolia and things like this and and 1457 01:01:40,910 --> 01:01:38,819 and and 1458 01:01:44,210 --> 01:01:40,920 and then he's getting contacted by 1459 01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:44,220 places like Rand Corporation arpa and 1460 01:01:50,990 --> 01:01:48,480 and is essentially going to be he's 1461 01:01:52,910 --> 01:01:51,000 actively working on creating the 1462 01:01:54,109 --> 01:01:52,920 internet you know what I mean right with 1463 01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:54,119 with 1464 01:01:58,370 --> 01:01:56,400 um you know a few dozen other people and 1465 01:02:00,829 --> 01:01:58,380 right now at the point that I'm at in 1466 01:02:03,170 --> 01:02:00,839 1971 they're working on putting the 1467 01:02:05,210 --> 01:02:03,180 proposal is to put a thousand terminals 1468 01:02:07,730 --> 01:02:05,220 together to to network a thousand 1469 01:02:10,069 --> 01:02:07,740 computers can you imagine that and like 1470 01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:10,079 they're kind of like you know just 1471 01:02:16,190 --> 01:02:13,680 starting the seeds and and there are two 1472 01:02:18,230 --> 01:02:16,200 terminals him and a woman that he works 1473 01:02:20,690 --> 01:02:18,240 with have terminals at each of their 1474 01:02:22,970 --> 01:02:20,700 houses that are wired through Stanford 1475 01:02:25,250 --> 01:02:22,980 and he's really excited about it because 1476 01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:25,260 they can send messages to each other via 1477 01:02:28,250 --> 01:02:26,640 Stanford and you know they're 1478 01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:28,260 essentially sending some of the world's 1479 01:02:32,950 --> 01:02:30,960 very first email messages 1480 01:02:36,770 --> 01:02:32,960 um back and forth right and it's like 1481 01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:36,780 and nobody it's not as if 1482 01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:39,359 people were like oh you study UFOs as 1483 01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:40,799 well well you can't create the internet 1484 01:02:45,770 --> 01:02:42,960 that's not allowed you know what I mean 1485 01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:45,780 like after a certain level of expertise 1486 01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:49,440 right um like nothing like stigma is 1487 01:02:55,490 --> 01:02:52,079 there because because you understand 1488 01:02:59,210 --> 01:02:55,500 that so many of the best and brightest 1489 01:03:02,030 --> 01:02:59,220 minds are idiosyncratic eccentric 1490 01:03:07,309 --> 01:03:02,040 Geniuses that are the people that 1491 01:03:09,650 --> 01:03:07,319 actually get stuff done right and and at 1492 01:03:11,990 --> 01:03:09,660 that point you know that like nobody 1493 01:03:14,089 --> 01:03:12,000 like you just let those people go or you 1494 01:03:16,010 --> 01:03:14,099 have to within reason right because 1495 01:03:17,710 --> 01:03:16,020 right how else is this stuff going to 1496 01:03:21,410 --> 01:03:17,720 work right yeah 1497 01:03:24,349 --> 01:03:21,420 yeah and like and like thank goodness 1498 01:03:26,690 --> 01:03:24,359 you know there there was there was less 1499 01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:26,700 you know according to me right here 1500 01:03:31,010 --> 01:03:28,559 there's more stigma that Jacques is 1501 01:03:33,230 --> 01:03:31,020 French you know with some people than 1502 01:03:35,030 --> 01:03:33,240 than the fact that he studies UFOs or 1503 01:03:37,370 --> 01:03:35,040 the the fact that he's really interested 1504 01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:37,380 in like you know the history theory of 1505 01:03:41,030 --> 01:03:39,359 like magic and the Occult and stuff like 1506 01:03:42,170 --> 01:03:41,040 this at this point I was like reading a 1507 01:03:43,370 --> 01:03:42,180 lot about it 1508 01:03:45,289 --> 01:03:43,380 um and that's what he's doing at night 1509 01:03:47,210 --> 01:03:45,299 and then by day he's like working on 1510 01:03:49,250 --> 01:03:47,220 creating the Internet it's awesome you 1511 01:03:50,990 --> 01:03:49,260 know what I mean yeah it's great and I 1512 01:03:54,609 --> 01:03:51,000 highly recommend it to anybody that if 1513 01:03:58,190 --> 01:03:54,619 if you're ever bummed out about about 1514 01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:58,200 the state of the world or the fact that 1515 01:04:01,010 --> 01:03:59,520 people that are interested in these 1516 01:04:03,049 --> 01:04:01,020 topics don't seem to get anywhere or 1517 01:04:04,430 --> 01:04:03,059 something like that you know I would I 1518 01:04:06,170 --> 01:04:04,440 would highly recommend checking out 1519 01:04:08,329 --> 01:04:06,180 something like this because you know you 1520 01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:08,339 can you can watch a guy like basically 1521 01:04:14,089 --> 01:04:10,799 hitting you know half court shots all 1522 01:04:16,190 --> 01:04:14,099 net like all day every day by reading 1523 01:04:19,789 --> 01:04:16,200 this stuff and it feels really good 1524 01:04:21,410 --> 01:04:19,799 yeah I definitely want to read those 1525 01:04:24,170 --> 01:04:21,420 journals because I feel like there's 1526 01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:24,180 there's a lot of history embedded in 1527 01:04:31,730 --> 01:04:28,079 those yeah and that's uh that's a step 1528 01:04:34,730 --> 01:04:31,740 that I want to take is reading that 1529 01:04:36,770 --> 01:04:34,740 stuff so yeah you know and yeah it's 1530 01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:36,780 it's like uh for a lot of the time 1531 01:04:41,870 --> 01:04:39,359 people who you know talk about UFOs or 1532 01:04:44,930 --> 01:04:41,880 whatever like the stigma is you know 1533 01:04:47,210 --> 01:04:44,940 there's the crazy uncle or whatever that 1534 01:04:49,130 --> 01:04:47,220 uh really can't keep a job or whatever 1535 01:04:51,950 --> 01:04:49,140 and you know 1536 01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:51,960 but when you have just like uh Geniuses 1537 01:04:57,230 --> 01:04:54,720 basically also invested and interested 1538 01:05:00,829 --> 01:04:57,240 in the topic you know there's a little 1539 01:05:02,510 --> 01:05:00,839 validation there so 100 so thank 1540 01:05:03,770 --> 01:05:02,520 goodness you know Valley's still with us 1541 01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:03,780 thank goodness for people like Gary 1542 01:05:08,569 --> 01:05:06,000 Nolan and all the other you know 1543 01:05:10,730 --> 01:05:08,579 Maverick scientists that either either 1544 01:05:13,490 --> 01:05:10,740 in the public-facing discourse or even 1545 01:05:16,190 --> 01:05:13,500 just behind the scenes are so actively 1546 01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:16,200 invested in this topic because you know 1547 01:05:21,950 --> 01:05:18,240 folks like that are are going to be the 1548 01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:21,960 folks that that are in in my mind really 1549 01:05:26,750 --> 01:05:23,280 the ones that are going to be able to 1550 01:05:28,670 --> 01:05:26,760 get this uh out in the light of day 1551 01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:28,680 um because I don't necessarily I don't 1552 01:05:33,230 --> 01:05:31,200 necessarily trust you know 1553 01:05:38,589 --> 01:05:33,240 um whether like what happens on Capitol 1554 01:05:43,069 --> 01:05:41,450 well I mean I just I don't you know like 1555 01:05:44,930 --> 01:05:43,079 I I mean I wouldn't want to put money on 1556 01:05:47,030 --> 01:05:44,940 it that's all I wouldn't want to put 1557 01:05:50,210 --> 01:05:47,040 money on on it on a new form of 1558 01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:50,220 legislation or or uh or transparency 1559 01:05:55,010 --> 01:05:52,559 efforts that way it's just you know it's 1560 01:05:56,690 --> 01:05:55,020 not my way yeah I had a I had a thought 1561 01:05:59,809 --> 01:05:56,700 so 1562 01:06:02,089 --> 01:05:59,819 um you know help put off came out with 1563 01:06:05,390 --> 01:06:02,099 that paper at uh the ultra terrestrial 1564 01:06:07,609 --> 01:06:05,400 paper whatever yeah and you know he's 1565 01:06:09,470 --> 01:06:07,619 going through all these different uh you 1566 01:06:10,970 --> 01:06:09,480 know options or whatever for for what 1567 01:06:12,349 --> 01:06:10,980 this stuff could be and I had this 1568 01:06:16,370 --> 01:06:12,359 thought 1569 01:06:18,829 --> 01:06:16,380 of what if whatever it is is kind of all 1570 01:06:22,430 --> 01:06:18,839 of them like what if there's one thing 1571 01:06:24,589 --> 01:06:22,440 that came here from the past 1572 01:06:27,910 --> 01:06:24,599 and lives underground and has for 1573 01:06:34,250 --> 01:06:30,950 it's totally known like one or the other 1574 01:06:36,770 --> 01:06:34,260 like it has to be E.T or Ultra 1575 01:06:39,410 --> 01:06:36,780 terrestrial or time travel well what if 1576 01:06:42,529 --> 01:06:39,420 it's all the same thing what if it's an 1577 01:06:44,690 --> 01:06:42,539 E.T that traveled back in time right 1578 01:06:46,730 --> 01:06:44,700 that came here a few thousand years ago 1579 01:06:48,349 --> 01:06:46,740 and started Living Underground 1580 01:06:50,029 --> 01:06:48,359 I think it's I think that's totally 1581 01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:50,039 possible and like it might not account 1582 01:06:54,650 --> 01:06:52,559 for every case but it could certainly 1583 01:06:56,630 --> 01:06:54,660 account for some or it could account for 1584 01:06:58,490 --> 01:06:56,640 a huge amount of them I mean I think 1585 01:07:00,529 --> 01:06:58,500 that there's something to that in that 1586 01:07:02,569 --> 01:07:00,539 you know as we've pointed out before and 1587 01:07:04,849 --> 01:07:02,579 as Ryan Graves loves to point out and 1588 01:07:07,190 --> 01:07:04,859 others as well that you know we know 1589 01:07:08,930 --> 01:07:07,200 about some of these these hot points you 1590 01:07:11,390 --> 01:07:08,940 know we know about Catalina we know 1591 01:07:13,849 --> 01:07:11,400 about you know the area to the east of 1592 01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:13,859 Virginia Beach and Miami where where he 1593 01:07:17,690 --> 01:07:15,119 was talking about off the Eastern 1594 01:07:20,930 --> 01:07:17,700 Seaboard there's an area like off of 1595 01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:20,940 Australia like and and people you know 1596 01:07:25,069 --> 01:07:22,559 people will point out these very 1597 01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:25,079 specific areas that seem to be these hot 1598 01:07:30,650 --> 01:07:28,319 zones where you know the craft can be 1599 01:07:32,329 --> 01:07:30,660 seen going trans medium and popping up 1600 01:07:34,130 --> 01:07:32,339 around the walls right makes you think 1601 01:07:35,049 --> 01:07:34,140 like come on the government has way more 1602 01:07:38,930 --> 01:07:35,059 information 1603 01:07:41,029 --> 01:07:38,940 on this you know come on like we know 1604 01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:41,039 there's these hot spots they're over 1605 01:07:46,250 --> 01:07:43,680 land like nuclear Labs or facilities 1606 01:07:48,170 --> 01:07:46,260 you'd think right they really don't have 1607 01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:48,180 more info information on this that's a 1608 01:07:52,910 --> 01:07:51,119 bunch of I'm sorry so all we're 1609 01:07:55,789 --> 01:07:52,920 all we're doing is like playing this 1610 01:07:58,069 --> 01:07:55,799 stupid game of tell me more you know 1611 01:08:00,109 --> 01:07:58,079 well maybe I will maybe I won't I don't 1612 01:08:02,750 --> 01:08:00,119 know it's so freaking ridiculous that we 1613 01:08:05,690 --> 01:08:02,760 even have to beg for a UAP report well 1614 01:08:07,849 --> 01:08:05,700 you know this is what the UAP report is 1615 01:08:09,950 --> 01:08:07,859 going to say everybody waiting for the 1616 01:08:11,690 --> 01:08:09,960 UAP report pay attention right now 1617 01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:11,700 because this is what it's going to say 1618 01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:14,160 you know and it might be a little off on 1619 01:08:18,110 --> 01:08:15,839 the numbers but this is what it's going 1620 01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:18,120 to say we've gotten several more reports 1621 01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:19,679 the stigma is down we're getting better 1622 01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:23,040 reporting we have uh 400 reports came in 1623 01:08:30,829 --> 01:08:27,600 we were able to positively identify 202. 1624 01:08:34,910 --> 01:08:30,839 um we have no evidence that they're a 1625 01:08:38,329 --> 01:08:34,920 foreign or our own and no evidence that 1626 01:08:42,169 --> 01:08:40,729 and what the UAP report is going to say 1627 01:08:44,510 --> 01:08:42,179 and we're just going to keep working on 1628 01:08:47,630 --> 01:08:44,520 it you know what I mean well yeah I 1629 01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:47,640 would imagine that that is largely what 1630 01:08:51,709 --> 01:08:49,440 what you'd find in that report or at 1631 01:08:53,870 --> 01:08:51,719 least the public-facing version of it I 1632 01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:53,880 mean I think I mean I think you know 1633 01:08:59,870 --> 01:08:56,400 what what would be great is to have 1634 01:09:01,669 --> 01:08:59,880 anything approaching what even what that 1635 01:09:04,849 --> 01:09:01,679 private version is you know what I mean 1636 01:09:08,150 --> 01:09:04,859 and because that is it's still going to 1637 01:09:11,390 --> 01:09:08,160 to to folks in Congress right and it's 1638 01:09:13,610 --> 01:09:11,400 still going and and those folks you know 1639 01:09:16,010 --> 01:09:13,620 I mean we know from many other issues 1640 01:09:18,110 --> 01:09:16,020 that folks like even the president of 1641 01:09:20,689 --> 01:09:18,120 the United States or or people in 1642 01:09:22,849 --> 01:09:20,699 Congress are trusted with only limited 1643 01:09:24,050 --> 01:09:22,859 you know classified information in 1644 01:09:26,030 --> 01:09:24,060 general 1645 01:09:28,729 --> 01:09:26,040 um up to a certain point because it's 1646 01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:28,739 seen as a revolving door where people 1647 01:09:34,610 --> 01:09:30,960 might only be in office for another 24 1648 01:09:36,410 --> 01:09:34,620 months and then you know you know how do 1649 01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:36,420 they kind of weaponize that knowledge or 1650 01:09:41,090 --> 01:09:38,400 exploit their knowledge uh to continue 1651 01:09:45,229 --> 01:09:41,100 getting work after that point right and 1652 01:09:47,749 --> 01:09:45,239 so you know there's but so in a way you 1653 01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:47,759 know even that version of the report is 1654 01:09:53,689 --> 01:09:49,679 probably going to be dumbed down quite a 1655 01:09:56,150 --> 01:09:53,699 bit right yeah yeah probably I mean 1656 01:09:57,950 --> 01:09:56,160 you know it's it's amazing to me though 1657 01:09:59,450 --> 01:09:57,960 still even like you go back to the 1658 01:10:01,729 --> 01:09:59,460 Congressional hearings and I know it 1659 01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:01,739 wasn't like uh it was kind of a dud for 1660 01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:03,360 most people or whatever 1661 01:10:07,610 --> 01:10:05,280 but you know there's there were little 1662 01:10:10,370 --> 01:10:07,620 pieces in there that you can really take 1663 01:10:11,930 --> 01:10:10,380 and run with like that video they showed 1664 01:10:13,370 --> 01:10:11,940 and really 1665 01:10:16,669 --> 01:10:13,380 struggled 1666 01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:16,679 to play you know oh yeah but eventually 1667 01:10:21,890 --> 01:10:19,679 they did and like what just went over 1668 01:10:23,689 --> 01:10:21,900 everyone's heads at least like people 1669 01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:23,699 that could possibly report on this stuff 1670 01:10:27,950 --> 01:10:25,440 was 1671 01:10:30,350 --> 01:10:27,960 Schiff asked him about the sensors that 1672 01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:30,360 picked it up and there were multiple 1673 01:10:35,630 --> 01:10:32,960 sensors and he hit that at multiple 1674 01:10:38,030 --> 01:10:35,640 unidentifieds that had multiple picks up 1675 01:10:40,910 --> 01:10:38,040 pickups on multiple sensors but we'll 1676 01:10:42,410 --> 01:10:40,920 talk to you more about that 1677 01:10:47,450 --> 01:10:42,420 in private 1678 01:10:49,070 --> 01:10:47,460 right now that's what happened like yep 1679 01:10:51,050 --> 01:10:49,080 it's like what is it what is it going to 1680 01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:51,060 take for for 1681 01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:54,000 for people to realize that uh you know 1682 01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:56,159 there's something important going on you 1683 01:10:59,570 --> 01:10:57,120 know 1684 01:11:03,110 --> 01:10:59,580 and actually press for more answers 1685 01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:03,120 because like how much do you need to 1686 01:11:08,330 --> 01:11:06,000 really be told for you to 1687 01:11:10,970 --> 01:11:08,340 like actually fight for more truth on it 1688 01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:10,980 you know it's 1689 01:11:14,750 --> 01:11:12,960 it's like what do you need like I went 1690 01:11:17,810 --> 01:11:14,760 back and and listened to like the hell 1691 01:11:20,330 --> 01:11:17,820 put off conversation at um some 1692 01:11:22,850 --> 01:11:20,340 conference where he was talking about uh 1693 01:11:26,330 --> 01:11:22,860 ASAP and all this stuff and talked about 1694 01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:26,340 his meta material I went back from this 1695 01:11:31,490 --> 01:11:29,280 Lou Elizondo conversation uh from like 1696 01:11:34,010 --> 01:11:31,500 three years ago or something and I'm 1697 01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:34,020 listening to all this and 1698 01:11:38,450 --> 01:11:36,480 you know like 1699 01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:38,460 even though I've heard it before like my 1700 01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:40,560 jaw was kind of dropping like 1701 01:11:48,649 --> 01:11:42,960 I can't believe that they're saying all 1702 01:11:51,770 --> 01:11:48,659 this stuff publicly right you know and 1703 01:11:54,290 --> 01:11:51,780 nobody cares 1704 01:11:56,030 --> 01:11:54,300 right you know and they're they're not 1705 01:11:58,790 --> 01:11:56,040 like 1706 01:12:02,090 --> 01:11:58,800 we just know there's no reason for them 1707 01:12:06,350 --> 01:12:02,100 to lie about it like neither of them are 1708 01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:06,360 making money off of lying about UFOs you 1709 01:12:10,930 --> 01:12:08,159 know neither of us 1710 01:12:14,090 --> 01:12:10,940 and they have real jobs 1711 01:12:17,090 --> 01:12:14,100 for you know space force or whatever 1712 01:12:20,330 --> 01:12:17,100 hell this is is you know put in plenty 1713 01:12:22,790 --> 01:12:20,340 of his work yeah plenty of time in like 1714 01:12:24,590 --> 01:12:22,800 they're just you just watch it and you 1715 01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:24,600 just know they're they're just telling 1716 01:12:29,090 --> 01:12:27,360 you how it is they're not making you 1717 01:12:30,590 --> 01:12:29,100 know and it's it's just like I can't 1718 01:12:33,130 --> 01:12:30,600 believe that they're saying this stuff 1719 01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:33,140 and nobody gives a yeah 1720 01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:35,760 I mean I mean some people do I think 1721 01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:37,679 we're just right you know what I mean 1722 01:12:41,810 --> 01:12:39,840 yeah no but I know exactly what you mean 1723 01:12:44,930 --> 01:12:41,820 and I think we're just gonna we're 1724 01:12:46,970 --> 01:12:44,940 you know I I we're gonna have to keep 1725 01:12:49,370 --> 01:12:46,980 watching and keep doing our best to push 1726 01:12:51,530 --> 01:12:49,380 push the conversation forward you know 1727 01:12:54,830 --> 01:12:51,540 in the months and the years ahead 1728 01:12:56,410 --> 01:12:54,840 um because you know these to me these 1729 01:12:59,689 --> 01:12:56,420 are the most 1730 01:13:01,310 --> 01:12:59,699 liberating and interesting and and 1731 01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:01,320 Brilliant questions that we could be 1732 01:13:06,590 --> 01:13:04,080 asking you know like what you know what 1733 01:13:10,130 --> 01:13:06,600 are the boundaries of our reality like 1734 01:13:11,149 --> 01:13:10,140 like where are we really like are we the 1735 01:13:13,490 --> 01:13:11,159 smartest 1736 01:13:15,649 --> 01:13:13,500 you know or more most advanced species 1737 01:13:18,709 --> 01:13:15,659 that that's out there and I think a lot 1738 01:13:20,810 --> 01:13:18,719 of us are kind of secretly hoping uh 1739 01:13:23,570 --> 01:13:20,820 that we're not because we could really 1740 01:13:25,669 --> 01:13:23,580 use some help you know what I mean 1741 01:13:27,709 --> 01:13:25,679 and then you know and then that gets 1742 01:13:30,050 --> 01:13:27,719 into the the very Richard Dolan like 1743 01:13:31,850 --> 01:13:30,060 questions of like you know are they good 1744 01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:31,860 are they bad what are they and all these 1745 01:13:35,689 --> 01:13:33,600 other questions right and like there's 1746 01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:35,699 it's just there are so many questions 1747 01:13:39,169 --> 01:13:37,679 that start to happen as soon as you keep 1748 01:13:42,169 --> 01:13:39,179 going down this road 1749 01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:42,179 and and you know eventually 1750 01:13:48,729 --> 01:13:46,080 eventually hopefully we get the history 1751 01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:48,739 book from whatever you know whatever 1752 01:13:54,229 --> 01:13:51,360 species we're talking about here right 1753 01:13:55,850 --> 01:13:54,239 right and that's and then you know 1754 01:13:58,430 --> 01:13:55,860 imagine how much that's going to blow 1755 01:13:59,630 --> 01:13:58,440 the the barn doors off of off of our 1756 01:14:01,250 --> 01:13:59,640 thought 1757 01:14:05,330 --> 01:14:01,260 um with regard to everything that's 1758 01:14:07,850 --> 01:14:05,340 going on out here right I mean it's you 1759 01:14:09,830 --> 01:14:07,860 know we're I feel like if we can just um 1760 01:14:11,390 --> 01:14:09,840 if we can just 1761 01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:11,400 keep our 1762 01:14:18,649 --> 01:14:14,400 stuff together enough to not you know 1763 01:14:21,530 --> 01:14:18,659 follow fall into the ocean right 1764 01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:21,540 um that that um that some really really 1765 01:14:25,729 --> 01:14:23,280 amazing stuff is going to come out of 1766 01:14:27,410 --> 01:14:25,739 this over the next years and maybe even 1767 01:14:29,870 --> 01:14:27,420 over the next months but you know 1768 01:14:32,930 --> 01:14:29,880 fingers crossed you know yeah I mean 1769 01:14:36,350 --> 01:14:32,940 George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell is out 1770 01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:36,360 there singing a big stuff until it like 1771 01:14:41,689 --> 01:14:39,360 uh they were just uh coming out and you 1772 01:14:44,450 --> 01:14:41,699 know speaking pretty as a matter of fact 1773 01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:44,460 as far as people that will be coming out 1774 01:14:50,510 --> 01:14:47,520 um not only privately but publicly so 1775 01:14:52,970 --> 01:14:50,520 that's right and I think Mr Corbell even 1776 01:14:55,070 --> 01:14:52,980 mentioned like uh mid-January or 1777 01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:55,080 something so so we'll see how that goes 1778 01:14:58,550 --> 01:14:57,600 hopefully it doesn't UAP report us but 1779 01:15:01,310 --> 01:14:58,560 yeah 1780 01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:01,320 I'm very curious you know like I mean I 1781 01:15:06,649 --> 01:15:04,320 I I'm gonna 1782 01:15:08,510 --> 01:15:06,659 I don't I don't know specifically I've 1783 01:15:10,310 --> 01:15:08,520 I've I keep hearing numbers from 1784 01:15:11,810 --> 01:15:10,320 different people you know behind the 1785 01:15:13,250 --> 01:15:11,820 scenes and stuff like that for how many 1786 01:15:16,310 --> 01:15:13,260 are going to be public and things like 1787 01:15:19,850 --> 01:15:16,320 that sure and and eventually we should 1788 01:15:22,669 --> 01:15:19,860 probably have like a we should do it 1789 01:15:25,729 --> 01:15:22,679 like a Super Bowl uh kind of betting 1790 01:15:28,610 --> 01:15:25,739 situation but um I'm gonna put five 1791 01:15:30,350 --> 01:15:28,620 dollars on Jay Stratton today you know 1792 01:15:32,090 --> 01:15:30,360 what I mean on the FI on the J Stratton 1793 01:15:34,669 --> 01:15:32,100 box I'm just gonna throw five dollars on 1794 01:15:36,770 --> 01:15:34,679 the J Stratton box and and you know 1795 01:15:39,470 --> 01:15:36,780 across my fingers but I I think it's 1796 01:15:41,570 --> 01:15:39,480 possible that uh we might we might hear 1797 01:15:44,270 --> 01:15:41,580 from him more this year I'd be I'd be 1798 01:15:46,130 --> 01:15:44,280 really psyched if we did I uh I mean 1799 01:15:51,290 --> 01:15:46,140 personally I think Lou Elizondo is going 1800 01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:51,300 to testify it and um I forget now which 1801 01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:53,760 news clip it was but somebody asked 1802 01:15:56,870 --> 01:15:55,440 something about the materials 1803 01:15:59,149 --> 01:15:56,880 and 1804 01:16:00,590 --> 01:15:59,159 they had said like okay so you know 1805 01:16:02,270 --> 01:16:00,600 there's materials but you don't know 1806 01:16:05,689 --> 01:16:02,280 like where it is or anything like that 1807 01:16:08,870 --> 01:16:05,699 and he said I never said that 1808 01:16:10,370 --> 01:16:08,880 you know as far as like where it is so 1809 01:16:11,810 --> 01:16:10,380 so you don't know where it is you just 1810 01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:11,820 know we have it he goes I never said 1811 01:16:17,270 --> 01:16:14,159 that and what I what I got from that was 1812 01:16:19,850 --> 01:16:17,280 he does know where it is right basically 1813 01:16:21,649 --> 01:16:19,860 and he's throwing this line until this 1814 01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:21,659 stuff gets passed and maybe he'll 1815 01:16:26,149 --> 01:16:23,760 testify himself I mean what you know he 1816 01:16:28,970 --> 01:16:26,159 kind of has to at this point right like 1817 01:16:32,169 --> 01:16:28,980 I think Davis has too 1818 01:16:34,669 --> 01:16:32,179 uh yeah but yeah yeah 1819 01:16:36,350 --> 01:16:34,679 going back to what you said like none of 1820 01:16:38,209 --> 01:16:36,360 this stuff has to be made public though 1821 01:16:41,870 --> 01:16:38,219 so it's like 1822 01:16:45,290 --> 01:16:41,880 yeah we just I I really really 1823 01:16:48,290 --> 01:16:45,300 you know I I am so crossing my fingers 1824 01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:48,300 and push all the positive energy I can 1825 01:16:54,050 --> 01:16:52,080 to to whoever is willing to uh to you 1826 01:16:57,050 --> 01:16:54,060 know put themselves on the line and do 1827 01:16:59,630 --> 01:16:57,060 this publicly because I think I think if 1828 01:17:01,550 --> 01:16:59,640 if we have even a decent handful of 1829 01:17:06,110 --> 01:17:01,560 folks that really come out and come out 1830 01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:06,120 in the right way then you know then you 1831 01:17:10,610 --> 01:17:08,159 know the Julian Barnes and like all 1832 01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:10,620 these other uh Jokers you know they're 1833 01:17:15,410 --> 01:17:12,480 gonna fall by the wayside you know what 1834 01:17:16,810 --> 01:17:15,420 I mean and it's going to be a a lot 1835 01:17:22,370 --> 01:17:16,820 easier 1836 01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:22,380 to to kind of move forward within the 1837 01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:25,440 the larger kind of ufology and almost 1838 01:17:29,450 --> 01:17:27,360 studies all of this community all of 1839 01:17:32,270 --> 01:17:29,460 these overlapping communities and it's 1840 01:17:33,890 --> 01:17:32,280 also going to be a lot easier for for 1841 01:17:36,530 --> 01:17:33,900 the young journalists out there to feel 1842 01:17:39,290 --> 01:17:36,540 more emboldened uh with with their work 1843 01:17:41,209 --> 01:17:39,300 in the future or I'm hopeful you know 1844 01:17:43,130 --> 01:17:41,219 um as frustrating as I've been with the 1845 01:17:45,350 --> 01:17:43,140 last few months I'm I'm hopeful for the 1846 01:17:46,490 --> 01:17:45,360 future for sure it you know it's 1847 01:17:49,310 --> 01:17:46,500 important 1848 01:17:52,070 --> 01:17:49,320 to say like like nobody's asking them to 1849 01:17:53,990 --> 01:17:52,080 believe in aliens either you know we're 1850 01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:54,000 just asking that you followed the story 1851 01:18:00,649 --> 01:17:56,880 you know honestly 1852 01:18:04,189 --> 01:18:00,659 and with integrity and just go after you 1853 01:18:05,930 --> 01:18:04,199 know the unknowns in the in these issues 1854 01:18:07,790 --> 01:18:05,940 that are going on over sensitive 1855 01:18:10,910 --> 01:18:07,800 military sites 1856 01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:10,920 you know in training exercises that's a 1857 01:18:13,510 --> 01:18:12,000 big deal 1858 01:18:16,010 --> 01:18:13,520 absolutely 1859 01:18:19,970 --> 01:18:16,020 just follow the story that's awesome 1860 01:18:25,250 --> 01:18:22,010 so but 1861 01:18:27,169 --> 01:18:25,260 I don't know anything else you got 1862 01:18:28,790 --> 01:18:27,179 oh I just want to say thanks to 1863 01:18:31,430 --> 01:18:28,800 everybody in the chat for coming out and 1864 01:18:34,850 --> 01:18:31,440 hanging out with us today I'm really I'm 1865 01:18:37,850 --> 01:18:34,860 I you know some of this has been 1866 01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:37,860 you know largely focused at at our 1867 01:18:42,050 --> 01:18:40,080 frustration with with radio silence and 1868 01:18:43,610 --> 01:18:42,060 things like that but there are a lot of 1869 01:18:45,890 --> 01:18:43,620 tea leaves that are suggesting that 1870 01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:45,900 things are moving in in a good direction 1871 01:18:53,390 --> 01:18:49,920 and um and it's just going to take a lot 1872 01:18:55,130 --> 01:18:53,400 of eyes on the issue and and 1873 01:18:57,649 --> 01:18:55,140 um a lot of 1874 01:18:59,209 --> 01:18:57,659 Good Vibes within this community you 1875 01:19:02,450 --> 01:18:59,219 know what I mean or these overlapping 1876 01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:02,460 communities in a way and that's yeah 1877 01:19:07,910 --> 01:19:05,040 I don't know much time you have but that 1878 01:19:10,810 --> 01:19:07,920 is one thing I wanted to talk about at 1879 01:19:13,430 --> 01:19:10,820 least a little bit is this whole idea of 1880 01:19:18,770 --> 01:19:13,440 I'm sorry my dog's barking hold on 1881 01:19:24,910 --> 01:19:21,830 I like I like whatever that secret word 1882 01:19:28,910 --> 01:19:24,920 was that that Sean was just saying to to 1883 01:19:31,729 --> 01:19:28,920 probably didn't work but uh like yeah 1884 01:19:33,410 --> 01:19:31,739 the whole uh UFO Community I think it's 1885 01:19:35,330 --> 01:19:33,420 important to realize when we're talking 1886 01:19:38,030 --> 01:19:35,340 about UFOs especially the more popular 1887 01:19:40,130 --> 01:19:38,040 or if this you know actually gets in the 1888 01:19:42,050 --> 01:19:40,140 mainstream or whatever and it's talked 1889 01:19:45,350 --> 01:19:42,060 about seriously it needs to be realized 1890 01:19:48,590 --> 01:19:45,360 that all sorts of different people in 1891 01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:48,600 walks of life will be in this little 1892 01:19:54,169 --> 01:19:51,840 pool of UFO interest you know this is 1893 01:19:56,209 --> 01:19:54,179 not a Democrat thing this is not a 1894 01:19:59,209 --> 01:19:56,219 republican thing this is not 1895 01:20:02,149 --> 01:19:59,219 anything like that this is something 1896 01:20:04,310 --> 01:20:02,159 bigger that everyone is interested in no 1897 01:20:06,649 --> 01:20:04,320 matter who you are because it's 1898 01:20:09,470 --> 01:20:06,659 something bigger you know so when you're 1899 01:20:10,910 --> 01:20:09,480 out there in UFO land first of all there 1900 01:20:13,070 --> 01:20:10,920 really is no 1901 01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:13,080 there is no blanket UFO Community 1902 01:20:18,169 --> 01:20:16,080 because of that that's right there's 1903 01:20:20,630 --> 01:20:18,179 different brackets of people types of 1904 01:20:23,390 --> 01:20:20,640 people or whatever so like a little bit 1905 01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:23,400 of advice to people that are on Twitter 1906 01:20:29,149 --> 01:20:26,400 and follow UFO Twitter and first of all 1907 01:20:31,790 --> 01:20:29,159 is to know that the people that you deal 1908 01:20:35,450 --> 01:20:31,800 with on UFO Twitter are no different 1909 01:20:39,470 --> 01:20:35,460 than dealing with hundreds of random 1910 01:20:41,870 --> 01:20:39,480 people that do not fit any demographic 1911 01:20:44,030 --> 01:20:41,880 you know that's right and you have to 1912 01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:44,040 feel them out the same way as you would 1913 01:20:49,970 --> 01:20:48,000 anybody else like if you're if you are 1914 01:20:52,729 --> 01:20:49,980 totally about 1915 01:20:56,270 --> 01:20:52,739 you know if let's say like you're on the 1916 01:20:58,370 --> 01:20:56,280 left side or you know you're cool with 1917 01:21:01,310 --> 01:20:58,380 you know whatever people like whether 1918 01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:01,320 it's you know their sexual preference or 1919 01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:03,600 anything else or whatever race there or 1920 01:21:09,770 --> 01:21:06,239 whatever like sure 1921 01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:09,780 I am all about loving 1922 01:21:13,729 --> 01:21:12,000 everybody whoever they are whatever 1923 01:21:15,770 --> 01:21:13,739 their preferences are because we're all 1924 01:21:19,010 --> 01:21:15,780 human beings and everybody deserves that 1925 01:21:20,930 --> 01:21:19,020 opportunity you know agreed and if you 1926 01:21:23,930 --> 01:21:20,940 want to deal with other people like that 1927 01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:23,940 you have to treat this community as such 1928 01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:26,159 like you have to approach 1929 01:21:32,990 --> 01:21:30,000 every account or every person on an 1930 01:21:35,330 --> 01:21:33,000 individual basis to find out if they're 1931 01:21:36,770 --> 01:21:35,340 akin to you in that way that's because 1932 01:21:38,930 --> 01:21:36,780 if you don't 1933 01:21:41,450 --> 01:21:38,940 you could be dragged into something 1934 01:21:43,490 --> 01:21:41,460 where you don't know anything about the 1935 01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:43,500 person and they wind up hurting you 1936 01:21:49,910 --> 01:21:45,840 that's right it is no different than 1937 01:21:52,610 --> 01:21:49,920 real life so when you're on UFO Twitter 1938 01:21:55,090 --> 01:21:52,620 or wherever people or wherever 1939 01:21:58,250 --> 01:21:55,100 you pick the people 1940 01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:58,260 that are like you that you can get along 1941 01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:00,480 with that you can respect with I have 1942 01:22:05,930 --> 01:22:03,360 respect with and trust you know and it's 1943 01:22:08,450 --> 01:22:05,940 not going to be easier than it is in 1944 01:22:09,830 --> 01:22:08,460 real life and in some cases it's harder 1945 01:22:12,530 --> 01:22:09,840 actually 1946 01:22:14,090 --> 01:22:12,540 because you're not seeing someone face 1947 01:22:16,010 --> 01:22:14,100 to face and shaking their hand or 1948 01:22:18,890 --> 01:22:16,020 whatever you know so you almost have to 1949 01:22:21,229 --> 01:22:18,900 be more protective so I love these I 1950 01:22:24,229 --> 01:22:21,239 love that there's there's Twitter spaces 1951 01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:24,239 and people are getting together and 1952 01:22:28,910 --> 01:22:26,159 talking about this stuff and fleshing 1953 01:22:31,850 --> 01:22:28,920 out ideas but you have to realize that 1954 01:22:33,770 --> 01:22:31,860 when you go into these spaces yeah of 1955 01:22:35,990 --> 01:22:33,780 the randomness involved and the other 1956 01:22:38,209 --> 01:22:36,000 people that are talking and listening 1957 01:22:39,770 --> 01:22:38,219 you know that's right and knowing the 1958 01:22:44,330 --> 01:22:39,780 different outcomes that can come from 1959 01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:44,340 that you know 100 yeah yeah yeah and 1960 01:22:50,330 --> 01:22:47,760 yeah I mean people have to I mean a huge 1961 01:22:52,970 --> 01:22:50,340 part of a huge thing that gets talked 1962 01:22:54,830 --> 01:22:52,980 about a lot in this community and this 1963 01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:54,840 overlapping version of these communities 1964 01:22:59,630 --> 01:22:56,880 like the in this kind of world in 1965 01:23:02,689 --> 01:22:59,640 general of ufology in an almost study 1966 01:23:05,870 --> 01:23:02,699 for decades centuries even is about 1967 01:23:07,310 --> 01:23:05,880 discernment right using discernment and 1968 01:23:09,709 --> 01:23:07,320 you know what is that is it your 1969 01:23:11,810 --> 01:23:09,719 intuition is it you know using bringing 1970 01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:11,820 all the all your faculties all of your 1971 01:23:16,490 --> 01:23:14,400 reasoning all your logic all your your 1972 01:23:19,189 --> 01:23:16,500 emotional self your intellectual self 1973 01:23:22,310 --> 01:23:19,199 and then making the best calls that you 1974 01:23:24,350 --> 01:23:22,320 can at like as you as you grow as you 1975 01:23:26,209 --> 01:23:24,360 learn and as you grow right and so 1976 01:23:27,770 --> 01:23:26,219 people people will have like wacky 1977 01:23:30,290 --> 01:23:27,780 discernment about like oh yeah the face 1978 01:23:31,729 --> 01:23:30,300 on the moon or whatever and then you 1979 01:23:36,130 --> 01:23:31,739 know they learn more about these 1980 01:23:38,510 --> 01:23:36,140 subjects and and they'll end 1981 01:23:40,850 --> 01:23:38,520 basically you know anomalous studies in 1982 01:23:43,790 --> 01:23:40,860 general is is going to be a process of 1983 01:23:46,430 --> 01:23:43,800 honing your discernment and nobody gets 1984 01:23:48,770 --> 01:23:46,440 it right at right out of the gate you 1985 01:23:51,649 --> 01:23:48,780 know nobody there's no there's no statue 1986 01:23:53,870 --> 01:23:51,659 of you know the the one you followed 1987 01:23:56,090 --> 01:23:53,880 just that got that got it right every 1988 01:23:58,130 --> 01:23:56,100 single time you know what I mean that 1989 01:24:02,090 --> 01:23:58,140 doesn't exist as much as some ufologists 1990 01:24:04,189 --> 01:24:02,100 want that right right and you know and 1991 01:24:06,590 --> 01:24:04,199 we're we're all we're all working on 1992 01:24:09,050 --> 01:24:06,600 these big Mysteries together and so you 1993 01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:09,060 know and that discernment goes all you 1994 01:24:14,149 --> 01:24:10,560 know it's discernment all the way down 1995 01:24:16,669 --> 01:24:14,159 it's discernment from you know like you 1996 01:24:19,610 --> 01:24:16,679 know what is space-time all the way down 1997 01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:19,620 to like who is this guy that's typing at 1998 01:24:25,250 --> 01:24:23,760 me right now is he cocky yeah right and 1999 01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:25,260 it's discernment all the way in between 2000 01:24:31,070 --> 01:24:27,840 there too and you know and at the same 2001 01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:31,080 time like you're saying during the 2002 01:24:36,590 --> 01:24:33,600 process of discernment we we also need 2003 01:24:40,330 --> 01:24:36,600 to to do our the best job that we can at 2004 01:24:43,070 --> 01:24:40,340 being caring and careful with each other 2005 01:24:44,810 --> 01:24:43,080 and also be yeah discernment knowing 2006 01:24:47,090 --> 01:24:44,820 that some people don't care about that 2007 01:24:50,209 --> 01:24:47,100 at all some people do not care about 2008 01:24:53,209 --> 01:24:50,219 being caring or kind or being empathetic 2009 01:24:56,090 --> 01:24:53,219 or anything like that then they'll still 2010 01:24:58,790 --> 01:24:56,100 be in the UFO Circle either in a space 2011 01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:58,800 or writing articles digging at other 2012 01:25:02,930 --> 01:25:00,960 people there will still be awful people 2013 01:25:05,630 --> 01:25:02,940 around you know so 2014 01:25:07,310 --> 01:25:05,640 yeah it's like do your best to root 2015 01:25:09,050 --> 01:25:07,320 those out block them and surround 2016 01:25:10,910 --> 01:25:09,060 yourself with with what you want to be 2017 01:25:12,890 --> 01:25:10,920 surrounded with that's right that's 2018 01:25:14,930 --> 01:25:12,900 right there are there are tons and tons 2019 01:25:17,689 --> 01:25:14,940 of wonderful people 2020 01:25:19,370 --> 01:25:17,699 that are interested in these topics and 2021 01:25:21,229 --> 01:25:19,380 you know we live in a very different 2022 01:25:23,390 --> 01:25:21,239 world than 2023 01:25:25,669 --> 01:25:23,400 than the world that existed 70 years ago 2024 01:25:28,250 --> 01:25:25,679 in terms of being how we can find each 2025 01:25:30,530 --> 01:25:28,260 other how we can talk to each other and 2026 01:25:33,050 --> 01:25:30,540 how we can and how we can make the best 2027 01:25:36,830 --> 01:25:33,060 out of out of working on these issues 2028 01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:36,840 and so you know as if we keep practicing 2029 01:25:41,090 --> 01:25:39,360 decent discernment and we keep being as 2030 01:25:43,790 --> 01:25:41,100 caring and careful as we can with each 2031 01:25:48,890 --> 01:25:43,800 other then we're probably gonna do just 2032 01:25:52,070 --> 01:25:48,900 fine yeah or I know so anyway cool on 2033 01:25:53,810 --> 01:25:52,080 that note yep 2034 01:25:56,330 --> 01:25:53,820 it's great to see you man I love you 2035 01:25:57,950 --> 01:25:56,340 buddy I love you too brother 2036 01:26:00,590 --> 01:25:57,960 um yeah we'll try to do this again next 2037 01:26:03,169 --> 01:26:00,600 week all right I'd love to Sean thanks 2038 01:26:05,510 --> 01:26:03,179 thanks to everybody in the chat I see so 2039 01:26:08,870 --> 01:26:05,520 many wonderful people over there 2040 01:26:12,050 --> 01:26:08,880 um and and uh Happy New Year to all of 2041 01:26:15,229 --> 01:26:12,060 you out there I hope that 2023 is the 2042 01:26:17,930 --> 01:26:15,239 best year yet for you uh the field in 2043 01:26:20,330 --> 01:26:17,940 general and everybody around you 2044 01:26:22,850 --> 01:26:20,340 um yeah totally I really appreciate 2045 01:26:25,729 --> 01:26:22,860 everybody in the chat like the video 2046 01:26:28,490 --> 01:26:25,739 subscribe share it all that stuff you 2047 01:26:31,790 --> 01:26:28,500 know cut it up screen record things post 2048 01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:31,800 it around I love all that stuff so 2049 01:26:34,490 --> 01:26:33,120 um but I really do appreciate that 2050 01:26:36,290 --> 01:26:34,500 you're even here paying attention and 2051 01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:36,300 having this conversation with us it does 2052 01:26:42,550 --> 01:26:39,360 mean a lot so hopefully Jay and I bring 2053 01:26:46,129 --> 01:26:42,560 something uh to you that that helps so 2054 01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:46,139 yep that's being said 2055 01:26:48,950 --> 01:26:48,000 yeah I guess we'll we'll check you next 2056 01:27:06,970 --> 01:26:48,960 time 2057 01:27:22,149 --> 01:27:09,780 we're going to talk about flying saucers 2058 01:27:24,090 --> 01:27:22,159 [Music] 2059 01:27:25,970 --> 01:27:24,100 flying suckers